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....,out of respect for this board's owner, on creating political threads, and even on commenting at all. I see less and less value in it. Few political comments on here are of any substantive value and are only satire.
So I plead with all, come down off of your high horse. For once, let's have a serious discussion about where we are.
Please ,all you Anti-Trumpers and everyone else and carefully consider the words of Rush Limbuagh from yesterday.
| Quote: | Folks, I was just talking about the passion that exists on both sides here. The passion that Trump voters have for him is equaled by the passion they have in opposition to Cruz, and it's the same with Cruz people. Cruz supporters are so passionate of Cruz, and they are so, so angry and frustrated with Trump supporters for not seeing the light. And the Republican Party had better be careful, because if they end up tiring a fire hose on the passions of all of these voters, there is no way the party survives, and that's what this is.
You've got this burning passion. You've got a significant segment of Republican voters, it's a large group of people, all of the energy in this primary season is on the Republican side. Look at that turnout. That turnout is through the roof. The establishment doesn't have a single person that could generate that type of turnout. There's not a single person they can choose from their fresh faces that would come anywhere near equaling this kind of excitement. Nowhere near maintaining this kind of excitement leading to continued turnout records, which are happening in primaries.
If they do what these stories indicate they're thinking of doing, it's the equivalent of turning a fire hose on these passions and potentially on both groups of voters. And if just one of these groups of voters decides to sit it out, then it doesn't matter what fresh face they come up with. And that's why there are some people who think that the Republican establishment is totally cool with that, totally cool with maintaining the establishment, but losing to Hillary, because at least they maintain themselves. They sustain in their jobs, they sustain in their lifestyles, they remain entrenched where they are. But I don't know how you quell these passions and then convert this passion to somebody who has not run or somebody who has run and has been shellacked, but apparently it's what they're plotting or planning. |
It's fine to hate Trump, to love Cruz and to be frustrated with those who do not agree, all in the name of "principle". But if I went strictly by principle I'd be voting for the Constitution Party candidate or writing in Ron Paul's name. There comes a time when we must balance principle with pragmatism. So then, what do all of you think is going to happen at the convention? If Rush is right as to there being an establishment conspiracy (which Rush , Sean and I agree on), then do we just cover our eyes and ears and cling only to "principle"? What are your thoughts? Can, Trump and their supporters unite for the sake of the country?
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I am not a RUSH supporter. He has been just as decisive in the past as he has been in the last few months. This is the speech that was needed earlier, but he downgraded others for HIS chosen one.
Having said that this little blurb I entirely agree with. I wish someone could pull this passion together and produce a good race against Hillary.
I read a good article comparing Goldwater's notable LOSS to Trump's Loss coming up. Someone said it took 20+ years for the votes to be counted for Goldwater and once counted they elected Reagan. LOL
I, along with Rush on this, hope the GOP does not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and issue in the age of Hillary! 
I have said it constantly the GOP loves a circular firing squad, this time using AK's.
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| Tom Sterbens wrote: | Resident Skeptic -
What do you think the Bible has to say about how we should vote?
How are those principles informing your decisions and current activity with regard the presidential election? |
You are dodging my very point about "principle". If we all went strictly by principle (as is applied seemingly only to Trump) there would never be a candidate a Christian could vote for. We may as well become Jehovah's Witnesses. I understand your take on "principle", Tom. But pragmatism dictates that we open our eyes and realize what is about to happen. Are you telling me the establishment plot is something we must ignore for the sake of clinging to a narrow interpretation of "principle"? Do you have nothing to say concerning Rush's points?
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| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: | Resident Skeptic -
What do you think the Bible has to say about how we should vote?
How are those principles informing your decisions and current activity with regard the presidential election? |
You are dodging my very point about "principle". If we all went strictly by principle (as is applied seemingly only to Trump) there would never be a candidate a Christian could vote for. We may as well become Jehovah's Witnesses. I understand your take on "principle", Tom. But pragmatism dictates that we open our eyes and realize what is about to happen. Are you telling me the establishment plot is something we must ignore for the sake of clinging to a narrow interpretation of "principle"? Do you have nothing to say concerning Rush's concerns? |
I really wasn't dodging anything brother...
You wanted serious dialog, and I was attempting to engage at that point.
And I think you misunderstood my use of the term "principle." I wasn't using it in the sense you took me to mean it. I meant what I wrote - no tricks.
What are the Biblical principles you are using to inform your voting philosophy.
It is a question I am attempting to answer tomorrow in my sermon: "How Should a Christian Vote?" So I really couldn't be more serious.  |
God sets up authorities. The authority God set up in the USA is not a man, but the Constitution. Therefore, a Christian should vote for the candidate who will most uphold the Constitution. But we must also remember that , per the Constitution, a President is only the manager of one branch of Federal government, the executive branch. Thus, a President must administer the executive branch by well managing the Federal departments, making sure those departments fulfill those duties delegated to the executive branch by the Constitution, and the President must also insure that the Federal agencies do not usurp powers reserved by the Constitution to the States, or to one of the other two branches of the Federal Government.
Choosing a President according to the principles written above might be difficult at times since one candidate might execute some constitutional duties well in some areas while his opponent might do better in others. Trump and Cruz are a good example of this IMO.
Other than these, I cannot think of any other "principle" I would tell a Christian to consider when voting.
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We have many principles in our lives. Honesty is one. Money management is one, good health is one. Religious principles are part of our lives. We all live by principles. Do we ever ignore a principle? Of course. On principle many are against drinking and smoking.
I no longer drink beer nor smoke. I have adapted a few principles that guide me away from them. But I do business with folks who drink, smoke and sell the products also. I do business with companies that support gay marriage and give to gay issues. So I actually support these companies.
When it comes to finances one of my strongest principles comes into play. Owe no one. Save for emergencies and do not waste what you have been blessed with. I have followed those principles, remained Christian (the last 25 years) and have reaped the benefits of the rich while being middle to lower income.
This is the best country in the world. I am proud of the USA with all its warts and scars. I am proud of my vote and I vote economic principles when I vote. I realize we cannot continue to borrow as a nation. We will become as Greece or worse. Our government STRONG is one of my strongest belief principles and voting time that comes into play, money management.
We have needed a business head or a business minded person in office. Or at least a person who has worked to know what money management is all about.
This election coming up? We have a business man running who speaks like a 4th grader. It bothers me. I voted for Perot once because it is not possible for an idiot or imbecilic becomes a Billionaire. His pie and bar graphics made sense to me. He was even proven right on many points.
Now I am possibly faced with choosing between Hillary and Trump. I have no problem if it comes to that, of voting Trump. Oh, I can list as much against him as my friends JD, Bonnie, C6th and Eddie and many more. But my principles of economics tell me what Hillary would do. My logic tells me Trump is going to have congress ready to ditch him at the earliest possible moment if he ‘goes Postal’ mentally. WE do have checks and balances.
The president is not just the president of the Christians in this Christian based nation, but of all the people. He is responsible for SOUND government. I will vote as I have in the past, not for a pastor but for a leader. To be honest my track record hasn’t been too good, even the winners I picked irritated the fire out of me. But if it is between Trump and Hillary. Trump will get my ‘x”.
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| Cojak wrote: | We have many principles in our lives. Honesty is one. Money management is one, good health is one. Religious principles are part of our lives. We all live by principles. Do we ever ignore a principle? Of course. On principle many are against drinking and smoking.
I no longer drink beer nor smoke. I have adapted a few principles that guide me away from them. But I do business with folks who drink, smoke and sell the products also. I do business with companies that support gay marriage and give to gay issues. So I actually support these companies.
When it comes to finances one of my strongest principles comes into play. Owe no one. Save for emergencies and do not waste what you have been blessed with. I have followed those principles, remained Christian (the last 25 years) and have reaped the benefits of the rich while being middle to lower income.
This is the best country in the world. I am proud of the USA with all its warts and scars. I am proud of my vote and I vote economic principles when I vote. I realize we cannot continue to borrow as a nation. We will become as Greece or worse. Our government STRONG is one of my strongest belief principles and voting time that comes into play, money management.
We have needed a business head or a business minded person in office. Or at least a person who has worked to know what money management is all about.
This election coming up? We have a business man running who speaks like a 4th grader. It bothers me. I voted for Perot once because it is not possible for an idiot or imbecilic becomes a Billionaire. His pie and bar graphics made sense to me. He was even proven right on many points.
Now I am possibly faced with choosing between Hillary and Trump. I have no problem if it comes to that, of voting Trump. Oh, I can list as much against him as my friends JD, Bonnie, C6th and Eddie and many more. But my principles of economics tell me what Hillary would do. My logic tells me Trump is going to have congress ready to ditch him at the earliest possible moment if he ‘goes Postal’ mentally. WE do have checks and balances.
The president is not just the president of the Christians in this Christian based nation, but of all the people. He is responsible for SOUND government. I will vote as I have in the past, not for a pastor but for a leader. To be honest my track record hasn’t been too good, even the winners I picked irritated the fire out of me. But if it is between Trump and Hillary. Trump will get my ‘x”. |
I am pretty much in agreement with you here.
Also, while Trump probably is good at the art of the deal, he is proving he is not that good at the art of the politician. It does not seem he is listening to his advisers or he would not be starting to seemingly bog down.
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God sets up authorities. |
How do you explain our participation in regime changes?
Are we doing God's will? |
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| mytimewillcome wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
God sets up authorities. |
How do you explain our participation in regime changes?
Are we doing God's will? |
Agreed. Thus I voted for Ron Paul. We need to mind our own business.
Some Christians seem to think the Bible teaches that the mayor of Poison Well, Nevada is chosen by God. I'm not one of them.
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| Quote: | | This election coming up? We have a business man running who speaks like a 4th grader. It bothers me. |
This is my main problem with trump , I would only add to this sentence ,
We have a business man running who speaks and thinks , or doesn't think like a 4th grader. It bothers me. |
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Cojak |
| mytimewillcome wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
God sets up authorities. |
How do you explain our participation in regime changes?
Are we doing God's will? |
It is if I like it, I guess we are mistaken if I don't like it!
Seriously we have had a very BIG misunderstanding in that area. For some reason we (USA Gov't) THINKs (it appears) that everyone can (should be) governed as we see it.
For some reason I think men are smarter than they are. Some men can read signs and understand one that says STOP. But they haven't been in charge in a long time.
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| Tom Sterbens wrote: | Resident Skeptic -
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I'm waiting until I hear a sermon about how I should vote before deciding.
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| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: | Resident Skeptic -
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I'm waiting until I hear a sermon about how I should vote before deciding. |
I hope it is inspired and anointed. Let us know! 
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| Change Agent wrote: | | Try harder! |
I'm not the one spamming the board. Go tell it to someone else. I'll gladly PM you a few names.
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No matter how you call it or see it, it is a tough political season. I hear there was once a candidate called Pedro, one that represented 'ALL' politicians, his slogan was, "Vote for Pedro and all your dreams will come true!"
So of course I will vote for a PEDRO! 
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| Just keep posting your cartoons and leave it to the readers to interpret. That would be great and you could practice your skills without words. Might help some of the pastors get into dream interpretation. |
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| Change Agent wrote: | | Just keep posting your cartoons and leave it to the readers to interpret. That would be great and you could practice your skills without words. Might help some of the pastors get into dream interpretation. |
I thinks its good humor which doeth a heart good... |
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| c6thplayer1 wrote: |
I thinks its good humor which doeth a heart good... |
That is sorta like Butter Pecan Ice Cream, from the good humor man! ain't it?
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| Cojak wrote: | | c6thplayer1 wrote: |
I thinks its good humor which doeth a heart good... |
That is sorta like Butter Pecan Ice Cream, from the good humor man! ain't it? |
LOL , you got it.
I know Res is probably upset with me for these pics but I still like him and he has a lot of good points. I would guess that this is the only subject we differ on. Anyway he's still a good man that I respect. |
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