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 3 questions evangelicals must ask themselves about Trump |
UncleJD |
We are experiencing something extraordinary in American politics: A man who has never held public office appears to have become a force of nature this election cycle, and he is achieving this, according to polls, with no small amount of support from evangelical Christians.
The really puzzling thing is that Donald Trump defies every stereotype of a candidate you would typically expect Christians to vote for.
How much does the average evangelical Christian supporting Trump know about his history? Very little, it would seem. Many are content to follow the no-nonsense persona, rather than dig into Trump's past record.
Trump professes to be a Christian and says the Bible is his favorite book. While we should not judge a man's heart or motive, we can and should evaluate his words and actions.
Therefore, there are three questions I believe all evangelical Christians should ask themselves before supporting Donald Trump for President.
1) What is known about Trump's personal life and morality?
If elected, Trump would be the first president to:
Be married three times to different women, leaving each for the next woman.
Be proud of his sexually liberalities, openly stating in his book "Think Big: Make it Happen in Business and Life" that he has had sex with with some of the "top women in the world."
Build and own casinos, including the first American casino ever to have a strip club that allows lap dancing and an all-male revue club for women.
Regularly use the f-word in public speeches along with other obscenities so vulgar network television would be required to bleep out these words to avoid violating Federal Communications Commission rules.
State publicly that he has never asked for God's (or anyone else's), forgiveness and that he doesn't forgive.
Have said about his daughter on that "if Ivanka were not my daughter, I would be dating her."
Give America a first lady who has posed in the nude.
Use bankruptcy laws four times for failed business dealings.
Openly advocate for revenge, "as viciously and as violently as you can."
Publicly call various women "dogs," "fat and ugly," "piece of a--," "pigs," "b...h," ("TrumpNation: The Art of Being The Donald," 2005) and said you "have to treat em like sh--."
2) Where does Trump stand on moral and social policy issues of concern to Christians and to which the Bible speaks to clearly?
On many issues, Trump is saying the right things in terms of public policy.
He presents himself broadly as a conservative on abortion, same-sex marriage, radical Islam and other social issues. But one of the best indicators of a politician's future behavior is his record on issues.
John Stemberger is President and General Counsel of Florida Family Action.
John Stemberger is President and General Counsel of Florida Family Action.
On abortion, in 1999, during a national television interview, Trump stated: "Well, I'm very pro-choice. I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. I cringe when I listen to people debate the subject. But, you still, I just believe in choice."
Again in 1999, Trump stated to the Associated Press, "I believe it is a personal decision that should be left to the women and their doctors."
In his book, "The America We Deserve," Trump stated, "I support a woman's right to choose, but I am uncomfortable with the procedures."
In 2011, Trump said he changed his mind on the issue of abortion but still supports abortion in the case of rape, incest and life of the mother. He also said he supports "the good aspects" of funding Planned Parenthood.
Trump also favors gay rights and same-sex marriage laws "that guaranteed same-sex couples equal legal rights as married, heterosexual couples." Trump also opposed the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, the military's prior ban on openly gay service members.
Gregory T. Angelo, president of the Log Cabin Republicans, an advocacy group for gay Republicans, has said of Trump, "He is one of the best, if not the best, pro-gay Republican candidates to ever run for the presidency," and that Trump would do no harm on same-sex marriage, and has a "stand-out position" on nondiscrimination legislation.
How do we square his liberal record on social issues with his "sounding conservative?" How can we trust that what he is saying today is what he will actually do tomorrow?
3) Are the love of money and pride legitimate issues to weigh when considering support for a presidential candidate?
First, the Bible is very clear that "the love of money" -- not money itself -- is "the root of all evil." But Donald Trump is also very clear -- he really loves money. In fact, he has reminded us over and over again, relishing and boasting in how "really rich" he is. Trump's TV show "The Apprentice" even used the O'Jays' song "For the Love of Money" as the theme song.
It's not often that the Bible speaks with such clarity on what is evil. How heavily should a Christian voter considering supporting Trump take into account his love of money?
Secondly, Scripture declares "God opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble." Proverbs says that "everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord."
Trump is not just proud. He is proud of being proud. But don't take my word for it. Just listen to most any speech he gives. Trump has said, "part of the beauty of me is that I'm very rich."
All of us are sinners in need of grace. But what are we to do with a professing Christian who is openly proud and brags about his sin and who wants other Christians to trust and support him to be our next president?
I do not believe every Christian has a moral duty to only vote for Christians. In the Bible, God used even evil leaders for his purposes. But when a choice is given, should evangelical Christians choose to elect a man I believe would be the most immoral and ungodly person ever to be president of the United States?
There are times I read a verse from scripture and wonder whether God looked into the portals of time and breathed out very specific words for a certain time in history. I believe II Timothy 3 is such a verse for today:
"But understand this, that in the last days terrible times will come. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people."
--- from an article I read online |
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1/22/16 2:56 pm
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Cojak |
I am not defending Trump. But if you would investigate many of our presidents, actions, language, etc you find they side right along with Trump.
Roosevelt, Nixon, Kennedy (during their time not much was discussed about their private lives although the press and SS knew the language, and sexual abuses of others.)
No I don't like his morals displayed publicly, but neither did I like FDR;s, Nixons or Kennedys AFTER we found out about them!
Who knows how many more were worse.   
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| Yeah, but...Paula White is his friend. |
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1/22/16 3:39 pm
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| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | Yeah, but...Paula White is his friend. |
Blessed be mercy an all, hey, ats enough fer the ole timer. |
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1/22/16 6:19 pm
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Ya know, I got to thinkin bout at video where all em woffies (Copeland, White, et al, etc., an all) was a prayin over Trump. It was evident the D-Man was uncomfortable. He looked totally out of sync. There was no playboy picture hangin on the wall of the D-Man and a bunny (only Paula's high heels). It was a gatherin a high-dollar preachers wantin a high-dollar president.
Listen, fellers, I'm with Dave on this one. Trump is not the political savior of the conservatives. |
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1/22/16 6:24 pm
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Cojak |
This election is not about conservatism, that is for sure. To be honest the last FEW GOP starts have not been conservative, they just SAID they were. The Government has continued to grow under dems and reps.
This is about citizens who are sick of the Business as usual and Trump has caught on to something the RNC did not seem to grasp. He has definitely rubbed the raw places. In my opinion the worst that would happen we would stay stagnate for 4 yrs.
My personal opinion we need to 'get along with Putin' and Assad.
Iron out the differences later!
I think Trump can do that. Then Knock out the ISIS money sources, he said he would do that. That is one promise I think he will keep.
BUT HOW much more will ISIS grow until then? That hurts! 
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1/22/16 8:27 pm
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Resident Skeptic |
How will any of this matter when we are conquered my barbarian hordes? Trump is the only one who will stop them.
And please name one other candidate who is going after political correctness, something which greatly effects the church.
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1/22/16 10:06 pm
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| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | How will any of this matter when we are conquered my barbarian hordes? Trump is the only one who will stop them |
I assume that was a joke man, its hilarious. If not that may be one of the craziest things I've ever read here (and I've been around since BlessedInMN-whatever serpent-seed days). But its late so I can't decide if its serious or not. I'll come back and read it in the morning and see if its still this funny (I hope so, its really funny right now). Good night all. |
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1/23/16 1:25 am
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Resident Skeptic |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | How will any of this matter when we are conquered my barbarian hordes? Trump is the only one who will stop them |
I assume that was a joke man, its hilarious. If not that may be one of the craziest things I've ever read here (and I've been around since BlessedInMN-whatever serpent-seed days). But its late so I can't decide if its serious or not. I'll come back and read it in the morning and see if its still this funny (I hope so, its really funny right now). Good night all. |
I do indeed view the millions of illegals flooding across our borders as invaders. Don't you?
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1/23/16 8:50 am
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| Who can beat Hillary? |
spartanfan |
That's who I want to vote for. If any one of the 12 republicans left in the race can do it - then that's where I'm placing my nod. If more than one republican seemingly can do it then I'll vote for who I (though truly ignorant of the depth of their love and real commitment to Jesus) think acts and talks the most like a Holy Ghost filled conservative Christian. But even then I'll be at risk of passing over the best Christian to instead choose the best hypocrite.
I'll just have to pray and hope I have heard from God and then vote.
Bottom line: whoever I think can beat Hillary |
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