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| Re: The one trait which predicts if you support Trump? (L) |
Resident Skeptic |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533 |
Total garbage. Authoritarianism is the thing most Trump supporters are resisting. I'm undecided, personally, on who to vote for.
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1/18/16 4:06 am
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diakoneo |
I read the article and there may be some merit to it.
However, I took the test and scored high on the Authoritarian scale.
I would not vote for Trump unless he is the only choice against Hilary. |
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1/18/16 8:59 am
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| The only way I will vote for Trump is if he is candidate running agin Hillary. Its hard to tell which is worse sometimes, but it would be the lesser of two evils with Trump. |
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1/18/16 9:06 am
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| Re: The one trait which predicts if you support Trump? (L) |
bonnie knox |
Which part of it is total garbage? His polling sample was 1800 registered voters. And you know "most Trump supporters are resisting authoritarianism," how?
He is factually telling you what characteristics in the polling data were statistically significant.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | bonnie knox wrote: | | http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533 |
Total garbage. Authoritarianism is the thing most Trump supporters are resisting. I'm undecided, personally, on who to vote for. |
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1/18/16 9:18 am
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bonnie knox |
| diakoneo wrote: | I read the article and there may be some merit to it.
However, I took the test and scored high on the Authoritarian scale.
I would not vote for Trump unless he is the only choice against Hilary. |
As for the four questions in his poll about child rearing, I most probably would poll as authoritarian as well; only 1 of the 4 questions used to determine authoritarianism (well-behaved versus considerate) would I definitely not choose the "authoritarian" answer.
But when you unpack what the poll describes, it doesn't mean that every authoritarian will choose Trump. It means that among the people who poll as authoritarian, Trump has a statistically significant advantage over the other Republican Primary candidates. |
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1/18/16 9:27 am
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| Re: The one trait which predicts if you support Trump? (L) |
UncleJD |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Which part of it is total garbage? |
The whole article. I'm back and forth on him, but his biggest appeal to me is that he is a rejection of the authority of the establishment. I lean libertarian and reject most government "authority", so I would rather have Rand Paul as president if he were more than a shadow of his father, since he's not my first choice is Ted Cruz who has proven to buck the authority of his lying rat infested party bosses right to their faces. Next is Trump. I put him after Cruz ONLY because he is unproven in his rebellion against the established authority.
Further, the article is garbage because it references Nazis, see Godwin's law of Internet argument. |
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1/18/16 9:33 am
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | Further, the article is garbage because it references Nazis, see Godwin's law of Internet argument. |
I'm familiar with Godwin's law, but just because someone references Nazis doesn't make what they say garbage. If that were the case, we would not be able to speak of the things we learned from history. |
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1/18/16 9:42 am
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | The whole article. |
But WHY do you say the article is garbage? Can you give a specific reason other than the anecdotal evidence that "I'm not an authoritarian, and I like Trump; therefore the whole article is balderdash."
When you claim not to be authoritarian, how would you honestly respond to the 4 child-rearing questions mentioned in the poll? |
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1/18/16 9:45 am
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UncleJD |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Quote: | | The whole article. |
But WHY do you say the article is garbage? Can you give a specific reason other than the anecdotal evidence that "I'm not an authoritarian, and I like Trump; therefore the whole article is balderdash."
When you claim not to be authoritarian, how would you honestly respond to the 4 child-rearing questions mentioned in the poll? |
I frankly don't think the "poll" makes any sense at all. Both answers are what I expect in all four at different times as appropriate. They would have to get to specific scenarios before I would pick between them.
For instance; with "respect or independent", I expect them to respect but stand firm in conviction, sounds like they confuse independence from man with independence from God ???
Obedience or self-reliant, obedient to God and parents, self-reliant when it comes to life and relationship to government
Well-behaved or considerate? - Really? you can't be both? Have I been wrong all of these years?
well-mannered or curious? - Again both, when appropriate.
Maybe the author had a certain age-group of children in mind when asking these question? Mine are grown, maybe they are thinking in terms of 5-year-olds.
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1/18/16 9:56 am
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bonnie knox |
The guy who wrote the article and did the poll did not come up with the questions. Those are questions which "political scientists have used since 1992." (And obviously I don't know exactly how the questions are worded on the questionnaire.)
But the point is that the people who would choose a particular response on those questions are more likely to choose Trump as a candidate, while none of the other questions (such as race, age, economics) predicted a statistically significant likelihood to choose a particular candidate. |
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1/18/16 10:07 am
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UncleJD |
I just think there are some assumptions behind those questions that are invalid. I know that I am not authoritarian (to a fault unfortunately). Yet, I think the support I see for Trump is based on rebellion to a system that expects unconditional support. To me that is authoritarianism, maybe I have it wrong.
It was worth considering, and I'm glad you posted it. I just don't happen to think its very accurate, and I believe there is an agenda behind it (if you vote for Trump you are as bad as the Germans who voted for Hitler). |
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1/18/16 10:16 am
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bonnie knox |
The questions are from the F-scale test, which has its critics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-scale_(personality_test)#Criticisms
| UncleJD wrote: | I just think there are some assumptions behind those questions that are invalid. I know that I am not authoritarian (to a fault unfortunately). Yet, I think the support I see for Trump is based on rebellion to a system that expects unconditional support. To me that is authoritarianism, maybe I have it wrong.
It was worth considering, and I'm glad you posted it. I just don't happen to think its very accurate, and I believe there is an agenda behind it (if you vote for Trump you are as bad as the Germans who voted for Hitler). |
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1/18/16 10:22 am
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UncleJD |
| Quote: | | The California F-scale is a 1947 personality test, designed by Theodor W. Adorno and others to measure the authoritarian personality.[1] The "F" stands for "fascist". |
It lost me at California  (besides, to the socialist, everything else is "fascism", that was proven in WWII) |
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1/18/16 10:56 am
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Cojak |
I READ! When I read I guess I read into an article what I want to, but it seems to me all the comments here are opposite of what I got from the article.
It is Trumps (appeared) AUTHORITY, that seems to impress his followers.
I WILL DO THIS!
I CAN DO THIS!
HE IS AN IDIOT, STUPID, ETC.
I NEGOTIATE!
I WILL MAKE THEM PAY!
His ability to 'OVER_AUTHORITY' the establishment. Most folk are followers, we respect the person who COMMANDS, FIXES OR CHANGES (even if just a promise), it sounds like fact. We have a president who so impressed the NOBEL committee with his AUTHORITY TO STOP ALL WARS, that they believed it and awarded him a Peace Prize.
Folks like it when some one has the 'audacity' to challenge with Authority!
I probably missed it, but that is how I see the article. IMHO.
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1/18/16 1:50 pm
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UncleJD |
| I get that Cojak. I just don't see the fact that I want someone to get some things done that I think should get done, makes me a fascist that likes to be told what to do. I also try to listen to Trump more than just being "told" what he says. And a lot of that is not "I'll get it done because I say so", but rather "I'll get it done because I know how to negotiate good deals". That's not as fascist/authoritarian as the article is insinuating. Now, will he appeal to those that are indeed authoritarian/fascist? Maybe... But that's not his appeal for me. In fact, it is one of the big concerns I have and probably why I'm not committing to support him until a few other options are off the table. But I don't think he's as "authoritarian" as the fascist in the office today who will use his mighty-pen when the elected law-makers "fail" to pass his agenda. THAT is true authoritarianism and fascism. |
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1/18/16 2:52 pm
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Nature Boy Florida |
Sorry Bonnie.
Just appears that someone floated something out there to try to get Trump supporters to rethink their position because it makes them look "authoritarian".
I don't buy it.
Follow the trail back - Jeb or Hillary set up the whole thing.
Very low energy effort on their part.
Poorly done.
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1/18/16 5:09 pm
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Cojak |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Sorry Bonnie.
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Follow the trail back - Jeb or Hillary set up the whole thing.
Very low energy effort on their part.
Poorly done. |
Good one NBF
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