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Nick Park |
| caseyleejones wrote: | | He was cuffed in the police station. When the cuffs were to be removed, the parent requested they remain on until someone would come and picture him. |
If police had done this to my kid, I would also have made sure that a photograph was taken before the handcuffs were removed.
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| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | Regardless of who said what .... Never trust a Muslim. |
I know a number of Muslims that I would happily trust with my life.
I also know plenty of 'Christians' that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them.
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| I heard that the kid bought a clock at Radio Shack and took it a part, then assembled it, somewhat, and put it in a briefcase. He was supposed to be making something on his own and he cheated, if the reports I heard were true. And, what's up with the briefcase? Did he take it to school each day? Kids get suspended for drawing pictures of guns. This guy gets to go see the President? I just don't get it. Yes, I do. |
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| Nick, not sure how things are done in your country... |
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...but I can speak for some states in the US. Cuffs are standard procedure till an investigation is done. I know this because I come from a law enforcement family.
If you have a person in custody whether a juvenile or adult, the police are fully responsible for that person. If the police considered this kid as safe while in custody and removed the cuffs, then he jumps out a window, slits his wrist, hurts someone else, the police are fully responsible. Once in custody, the police are 100% responsible for the safety of that person. Recently a person I grew up with died in jail because of some illness. The dept got sued and the dept paid out. When a person is pulled over in the US and they run a drug dog or do a car search, they cuff the person for safety reasons.
Nick, you are assuming this family is the super family such as you see yourself. That is why you can say that about your kids that you would take pictures as well. But when you have no clues about a kid, he is evasive in his answers, he built a clock that had all the makings of a bomb, ...yes, questions arise.
I wonder what would happen if this kid decided to carry this into a federal building? I guarantee you it would be much harsher and likely the kid would have been thrown to the floor.
Some say if there was a real threat, why not evacuate. Our schools have different procedures, even for bombs. In our local school, a bomb threat is not immediate evac. You don't want to shift kids to the football field if the intent was to move them so they could be picked off by an active shooter. Yes, our schools are training for this....and most every scenario.
If that device was brought into our local schools, this boy would have suffered the same fate.
The question....was it as innocuous as the media is playing it? Keep in mind, things are 20/20 looking back.....but in this case, there are still unanswered questions.
BTW, muslim has nothing to do with this. A white kid in Illinois would have met a worse fate. |
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| President Obama wrote: | | That case looks like what my son would take into a school |
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| Here is an interesting tidbit about another branch of the media.. |
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Yahoo at times does have good news and articles.....I also like to go to the comment section and read....be warned,....
When the gay marriage debate came out, I wrote a paragraph taking a pro family stance, though I did not come out and condemn homosexuals. My comments were deleted immediately. Every time I posted, they were deleted on that article. It looked as if in the comment section 90% of posters supported gay marriage.
I also posted on an Ahmed....once again to look at the bigger picture and get all facts first before making a judgment. Again, it was removed immediately. 90% of those posts that remained called for the lynching of the school, called them haters and bigots.....I'm surprised the media didn't photo shop him holding a puppy....
Media does not like for you to think for yourself.... |
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| Re: Here is an interesting tidbit about another branch of the media.. |
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| caseyleejones wrote: | Yahoo at times does have good news and articles.....I also like to go to the comment section and read....be warned,....
When the gay marriage debate came out, I wrote a paragraph taking a pro family stance, though I did not come out and condemn homosexuals. My comments were deleted immediately. Every time I posted, they were deleted on that article. It looked as if in the comment section 90% of posters supported gay marriage.
I also posted on an Ahmed....once again to look at the bigger picture and get all facts first before making a judgment. Again, it was removed immediately. 90% of those posts that remained called for the lynching of the school, called them haters and bigots.....I'm surprised the media didn't photo shop him holding a puppy....
Media does not like for you to think for yourself.... |
I just might start checking my comments. I never thought of that angle. But I can see it happening. I wonder if News max does that, all I see there is GO DONALD in comments! 
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| Nick Park wrote: | | c6thplayer1 wrote: | | Regardless of who said what .... Never trust a Muslim. |
I know a number of Muslims that I would happily trust with my life.
I also know plenty of 'Christians' that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them. |
Of course Nick. these are the people that I want to be friends with to. I love their holy scriptures that they all worship and abide by. Why wouldnt anyone want to be friends with these people?
A list of Quran hate quotes
Posted on September 14, 2013
From JihadWatch (September 14) — Does the Quran teach hate? Let’s see:
2:65 Allah transforms disobedient Jews into apes
“And well you know there were those among you [Jews] that transgressed the Sabbath, and We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’
2:89 Unbelievers, particularly Jews, are accursed
“When there came to them [Jews] a Book from Allah, confirming what was with them — and they aforetimes prayed for victory over the unbelievers — when there came to them that they recognized, they disbelieved in it; and the curse of Allah is on the unbelievers.
2:191-193 Fight and kill unbelievers until “religion is Allah’s,” i.e. Islamic law rules all societies
“And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”
3:28 Don’t take unbelievers as friends and allies, unless it is for “fear of them,” i.e. deceptively for protection of oneself or of Islam
“Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends, rather than the believers — for whoso does that belongs not to Allah in anything — unless you have a fear of them. Allah warns you that You beware of Him, and unto Allah is the homecoming.”
3:110-112 Muslims are the best of people, Jews have earned Allah’s anger
“You are the best nation ever brought forth to men, bidding to honour, and forbidding dishonour, and believing in Allah. Had the People of the Book believed, it were better for them; some of them are believers, but the most of them are ungodly. They will not harm you, except a little hurt; and if they fight with you, they will turn on you their backs; then they will not be helped. Abasement shall be pitched on them, wherever they are come upon, except they be in a bond of Allah, and a bond of the people; they will be laden with the burden of Allah’s anger, and poverty shall be pitched on them; that, because they disbelieved in Allah’s signs, and slew the Prophets without right; that, for that they acted rebelliously and were transgressors.”
3:151 Allah will cast terror into the unbelievers’ hearts
“We will cast into the hearts of the unbelievers terror, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers.”
3:181 Jews are bound for hell
“Allah has heard the saying of those who said, ‘Surely Allah is poor, and we are rich.’ We shall write down what they have said, and their slaying the Prophets without right, and We shall say, ‘Taste the chastisement of the burning.’”
4:34 Beat disobedient women
“Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for Allah’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; Allah is All-high, All-great.”
4:160 Jews do evil, turn people away from Allah
“And for the evildoing of those of Jewry, We have forbidden them certain good things that were permitted to them, and for their barring from Allah’s way many…”
5:33 Crucify or amputate the hands and feet of those who make war against Allah and Muhammad
“This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”
5:41 Jews listen to falsehood and pervert the meaning of their Scriptures
“O Messenger, let them not grieve thee that vie with one another in unbelief, such men as say with their mouths ‘We believe’ but their hearts believe not; and the Jews who listen to falsehood, listen to other folk, who have not come to thee, perverting words from their meanings, saying, ‘If you are given this, then take it; if you are not given it, beware!’ Whomsoever Allah desires to try, thou canst not avail him anything with Allah. Those are they whose hearts Allah desired not to purify; for them is degradation in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”
5:51 Don’t take Jews and Christians as friends and allies
“O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers.”
5:59-60 Jews cursed, made into apes and swine
“Say: ‘People of the Book, do you blame us for any other cause than that we believe in Allah, and what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down before, and that most of you are ungodly?’ Say: ‘Shall I tell you of a recompense with Allah, worse than that? Whomsoever Allah has cursed, and with whom He is wroth, and made some of them apes and swine, and worshippers of idols — they are worse situated, and have gone further astray from the right way.’”
5:64 Jews accursed
“The Jews have said, ‘Allah’s hand is fettered.’ Fettered are their hands, and they are cursed for what they have said. Nay, but His hands are outspread; He expends how He will. And what has been sent down to thee from thy Lord will surely increase many of them in insolence and unbelief; and We have cast between them enmity and hatred, till the Day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah will extinguish it. They hasten about the earth, to do corruption there; and Allah loves not the workers of corruption.”
5:72 Christians are unbelievers
“They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, Mary’s son.’ For the Messiah said, ‘Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Verily whoso associates with Allah anything, Allah shall prohibit him entrance to Paradise, and his refuge shall be the Fire; and wrongdoers shall have no helpers.’”
5:82 Jews most hostile to the Muslims
“Thou wilt surely find the most hostile of men to the believers are the Jews and the idolaters; and thou wilt surely find the nearest of them in love to the believers are those who say ‘We are Christians’; that, because some of them are priests and monks, and they wax not proud.”
6:91 Jews deny, conceal divine revelations
“They measured not Allah with His true measure when they said, ‘Allah has not sent down aught on any mortal.’ Say: ‘Who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to men? You put it into parchments, revealing them, and hiding much; and you were taught that you knew not, you and your fathers.’ Say: ‘Allah.’ Then leave them alone, playing their game of plunging.”
6:146 Jews insolent
“And to those of Jewry We have forbidden every beast with claws; and of oxen and sheep We have forbidden them the fat of them, save what their backs carry, or their entrails, or what is mingled with bone; that We recompensed them for their insolence; surely We speak truly.”
7:166 Jews are apes
“And when they [Jews] turned in disdain from that forbidding We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’”
8:12 Allah will terrorize unbelievers; Muslims should behead them
“When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!’”
8:39 Fight unbelievers until Islam reigns supreme
“Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s entirely; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.”
8:60 Make war against enemies of Allah
“Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to terrify thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”
9:5 Slay the idolaters
“Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”
9:28 Idolaters unclean
“O believers, the idolaters are indeed unclean; so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs. If you fear poverty, Allah shall surely enrich you of His bounty, if He will; Allah is All-knowing; All-wise.”
9:29 Fight and subjugate the Jews and Christians
“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.”
9:30 Jews and Christians assailed by Allah
“The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the Son of Allah’; the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the Son of Allah.’ That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them. Allah assail them! How they are perverted!”
9:31 Jews and Christians have taken their clergy and holy men as lords
“They have taken their rabbis and their monks as lords apart from Allah, and the Messiah, Mary’s son — and they were commanded to serve but One Allah; there is no god but He; glory be to Him, above that they associate.”
9:73 Be harsh with unbelievers
“O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and hypocrites, and be thou harsh with them; their refuge is Gehenna — an evil homecoming!”
9:111 Paradise guaranteed to those who kill and are killed for Allah
“Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”
[b]9:123 Fight the unbelievers, be harsh with them
“O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”
47:4 Behead and slaughter the unbelievers; take others captive
“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”
48:29 Be merciful to believers, not unbelievers
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another.”
62:6 Jews should long for death
“Say: ‘You of Jewry, if you assert that you are the friends of Allah, apart from other men, then do you long for death, if you speak truly.’”
98:6 Unbelievers are the worst of creatures
“The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters shall be in the Fire of Gehenna, therein dwelling forever; those are the worst of creatures.”
But as we all know, pointing this out is what is considered the act of hate nowadays, not these passages themselves. And a Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood front group like the Council on American-Islamic Relations, out for John Jamason’s head, is treated as if it were a respectable civil rights organization, while Jamason is in danger of being fired for telling uncomfortable and unpopular truths. |
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| John Jett wrote: | | President Obama wrote: | | That case looks like what my son would take into a school |
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| c6thplayer1 wrote: |
Of course Nick. these are the people that I want to be friends with to. I love their holy scriptures that they all worship and abide by. Why wouldnt anyone want to be friends with these people?
A list of Quran hate quotes
From JihadWatch (September 14) — Does the Quran teach hate? Let’s see: |
Sorry, I've been travelling and have been very on the internet very little, so I'm only getting the time to respond to this now.
The problem with cutting and pasting quotes like these is that you can do the same thing with our Bible - listing all the quotes that command people to wipe out the populations of entire cities, to leave no survivors, blessing those who dash babies' heads against the rocks etc.
And, sadly, there have been many in history since the time of St Augustine who have used such passages to justify appalling violence in the name of Christ.
Even in our generation, I seem to remember reading a post on Actscelerate where a poster argued that Christians in another country should kill 100 Muslims for every Christian that was martyred.
Thankfully most Christians interpret the violent passages in the Old Testament in such a way that we don't see them as applying to us today, even if they are still there in our Bibles.
And that's what millions of Muslims do as well. Many of them want to live peaceable lives, tolerate those of other faiths, and are actually nice people when you get to know them. Of course, as a Christian, I think their religion is Satanically inspired (I feel the same about Roman Catholicism and Mormonism) and I want to reach them with the Gospel so they can know the true God and be saved.
For example, the largest mosque in Europe is the Baitul Futuh Mosque in London, that holds up to 10,000 worshippers. Islam has denominations within it, just like Christianity, and this mosque is run by the Ahmadiyya sect. There are tens of millions in this sect and their beliefs are wacky, but harmless. They believe the Messiah has already returned and they are totally opposed to religious wars or violence of any kind. They also support the total separation of mosque and State.
Now, I know members of the Ahmadiyya sect, and I would trust them with my life. They are better than their Scriptures.
I would not trust any 'Christian' who claims to be a follower of Christ but who would support a religious war where Christians would attack Muslims. Such 'Christians' are worse than their Scriptures.
The fact is that all of us, Christians, Jews and Muslims alike, interpret our holy books in ways that suit how we want to live our lives. For centuries Christians managed to ignore the Scriptures about loving their enemies and gleefully butchered Jews, Muslims, 'heretics' and anyone else with whom they disagreed. Today most Christians interpret their holy book in a much better way.
Many Muslims today, such as in the hardline sects, interpret the Koran in a way that legitimises violence. Such people have no place in a civilised society. But there are plenty of others who have learned to interpret their holy book in a much better way.
And, sadly, there are still some 'Christians' today who interpret their Bibles in such a way as to spread fear and hatred. They did it in the 1930s in Germany when they said "Never trust a single Jew" - and, as exemplified by Fred Phelps and his counterfeit 'church' they are still around today.
I believe salvation is only to be found in Jesus Christ, but I have encountered decent unbelievers of all colours and all religions. And if they, as individuals, show themselves to be trustworthy then I will happily trust them.
I have also encountered many people who are liars, given to violence and are manifestly untrustworthy. Most of them claimed to be Christians. Some were pastors and denominational officials.
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We in the USA see only 'opportunists' selecting what they want to accept in our government and rejecting OUR heritage. Maybe it is because of the media exposure. i'e': A group demanding no pork be served in our schools, I never read a Jewish group demanding that.
MY fears are from personal experience and are hard to see past those who cast daggers with their eyes (staying around the Detroit area too long). I automatically smile and nod to everyone (I guess it is a Southern USA thang), including Muslims, I have never received a smile in return from a Muslim in the USA
However I do agree with Nick's comments here:
The fact is that all of us, Christians, Jews and Muslims alike, interpret our holy books in ways that suit how we want to live our lives. For centuries Christians managed to ignore the Scriptures about loving their enemies and gleefully butchered Jews, Muslims, 'heretics' and anyone else with whom they disagreed. Today most Christians interpret their holy book in a much better way.
Many Muslims today, such as in the hardline sects, interpret the Koran in a way that legitimises violence. Such people have no place in a civilised society. But there are plenty of others who have learned to interpret their holy book in a much better way.
And, sadly, there are still some 'Christians' today who interpret their Bibles in such a way as to spread fear and hatred. They did it in the 1930s in Germany when they said "Never trust a single Jew" - and, as exemplified by Fred Phelps and his counterfeit 'church' they are still around today.
I believe salvation is only to be found in Jesus Christ, but I have encountered decent unbelievers of all colours and all religions. And if they, as individuals, show themselves to be trustworthy then I will happily trust them.
I have also encountered many people who are liars, given to violence and are manifestly untrustworthy. Most of them claimed to be Christians. Some were pastors and denominational officials.
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Most Americans have only 'met' Muslims thru the media here, and watching the terrorists acts on TV. Being a military person, I do not support a war of Christians and Muslims, but I do support a war/defense of any group that might get their hands on a Nuke that could and would destroy others. Or a war that is forcing hundreds of thousands of Refugees to flee their country and they are not entering other Muslim countries but demanding residence in other countries that are not Muslim in majority.
Life is confusing, and this is confusing to a person who has not met the GOOD Muslim enough to be a friend. However in my latest book I have attempted it.
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| I guess I should have said " Group all the hate mongers in a group then it would be easier to say , I trust these not ". |
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