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 The boy who built a clock..... |
caseyleejones |
The(liberal and media narrative)- a young scientist built a clock from scratch. Ingenious.......he was profiled because he was a muslim.
The truth-
The parts of a digital clock was put in a small brief case. There was not much thought put into it for a 9th grader. When the police asked him questions, he was evasive and refused to answer. The picture was a briefcase, with timer, lots of wires....and had an alarm. It resembled a bomb. The school stands by their decision for a 3 day suspension.
My opinion only....I think he is like most 9th graders and wanted to have a little fun and got caught up in the moment. The media turned it into something else. |
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9/18/15 2:56 pm
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bonnie knox |
It's what you call an "alarm" clock.
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9/18/15 3:15 pm
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John Jett |
| The next time someone sees what looks like a bomb, you can bet they won't say anything at all. |
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9/18/15 3:20 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
It's not true that he was evasive and refused to answer. He told them repeatedly, according to the police spokesman, that it was a clock. He did not offer a "broader explanation" according to the police -- but honestly, what broader explanation could have been offered?
I do not believe this was a matter of profiling. The same idiotic zero tolerance policies would have acted to crush the light in the eye of a white child, or a black child, or anyone else.
It is also true that the left will use anything they can to drive a political agenda. The challenge to the rest of us is not to play the same game in response to them.
We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that this was a nerdy, NASA t-shirt-wearing little boy who was excited he had made something special. We shouldn't attack him in the process of refuting the politicizing accusations of the left. Otherwise, we become just like them.
A family member sent me an article from a very conservative website that was pretty flippant toward the kid. I understand the author was upset at the partisan politicization of the left. But this kid isn't a part of the Marxist left-wing that will politicize anything to advance an agenda. He's just a kid who loves science. And some of the things the author of this article said broke my heart. I want to be part of a political movement that's better than that. |
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9/18/15 3:23 pm
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c6thplayer1 |
| Regardless of who said what .... Never trust a Muslim. |
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9/18/15 3:35 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | He told them repeatedly, according to the police spokesman, that it was a clock. He did not offer a "broader explanation" according to the police -- but honestly, what broader explanation could have been offered? |
This is what I don't get about some people--there are times it behooves you to explain yourself. That goes double for times when you are being questioned by someone in authority over you and even more for LEO's who, in my book, tend to be linear thinkers. I know I've instructed my son to be clear, enunciate his words, and answer questions.
Some people have a perverse inclination to be evasive at the most inopportune times. I don't know if that was what was happening here. If I were being detained by police and asked what I made and why, I certainly would try to explain myself and my reasoning.
I would imagine the broader explanation that would have been appropriate is that he is into technology and making things and that he wanted to show off his invention and had checked with his teacher about bringing it to school. To give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he didn't see the problem in answering with, "It's a clock." But to also give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt, if you ask someone what they made, why they made it, what their intentions are, etc., and all you get for an answer is "It's a clock," you should see that as a red flag. |
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9/18/15 3:39 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
Bonnie, you've probably never been a socially-awkward teenager unexpectedly in the presence of law enforcement, one of whom announced, "Yup, that's who I thought it was" upon seeing you. The young man should be excused for not being able to elucidate every reason he wanted to show off his clock.
The "perverse inclination" you describe is an extraordinarily common, natural response. |
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9/18/15 3:46 pm
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Eddie Robbins |
| Obama jumps at every opportunity to suck up to Muslims.....it seems. |
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9/18/15 3:50 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | Bonnie, you've probably never been a socially-awkward teenager unexpectedly in the presence of law enforcement, one of whom announced, "Yup, that's who I thought it was" upon seeing you. The young man should be excused for not being able to elucidate every reason he wanted to show off his clock.
The "perverse inclination" you describe is an extraordinarily common, natural response. |
The response I'm talking about is basically a self-sabotage. Most people don't usually respond that way. I've also seen a deliberate sort of person be mistaken for being obdurate or uncooperative. Again, most people aren't like that.
Maybe that was the issue with this kid, maybe not. Maybe the cops are lying about him being evasive.
Like I said, I would give the kid the benefit of the doubt if he was just caught of guard. However, I don't know what the situation was really like.
My point is, though, if law enforcement is called to a school because a kid brought this 
to school, they question the kid, and he doesn't seem to want to talk, a cop just can't shrug it off and say, "Well, he's just awkward."
As far as my own experience (which you probably shouldn't have brought up), my first ticket was a black cop profiling young white girls, but I answered the questions as thoroughly as I could; I don't know how you might rate my social awkwardness. I was like most teens--embarrassed by my own existence. Daddy taught me to say "yes sir" and "no sir" to cops. I've developed such a jaundiced view of them, I've told my son he needn't feel obligated to say sir, but he ought to at least say a clear yes or no.
Maybe the cops were being unfair, maybe not. I don't know. Just because the headline "Cops arrest kid for bringing clock to school" on its face sounds outrageous doesn't mean it's so. |
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9/18/15 4:37 pm
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caseyleejones |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Dave Dorsey wrote: | Bonnie, you've probably never been a socially-awkward teenager unexpectedly in the presence of law enforcement, one of whom announced, "Yup, that's who I thought it was" upon seeing you. The young man should be excused for not being able to elucidate every reason he wanted to show off his clock.
The "perverse inclination" you describe is an extraordinarily common, natural response. |
The response I'm talking about is basically a self-sabotage. Most people don't usually respond that way. I've also seen a deliberate sort of person be mistaken for being obdurate or uncooperative. Again, most people aren't like that.
Maybe that was the issue with this kid, maybe not. Maybe the cops are lying about him being evasive.
Like I said, I would give the kid the benefit of the doubt if he was just caught of guard. However, I don't know what the situation was really like.
My point is, though, if law enforcement is called to a school because a kid brought this
to school, they question the kid, and he doesn't seem to want to talk, a cop just can't shrug it off and say, "Well, he's just awkward."
As far as my own experience (which you probably shouldn't have brought up), my first ticket was a black cop profiling young white girls, but I answered the questions as thoroughly as I could; I don't know how you might rate my social awkwardness. I was like most teens--embarrassed by my own existence. Daddy taught me to say "yes sir" and "no sir" to cops. I've developed such a jaundiced view of them, I've told my son he needn't feel obligated to say sir, but he ought to at least say a clear yes or no.
Maybe the cops were being unfair, maybe not. I don't know. Just because the headline "Cops arrest kid for bringing clock to school" on its face sounds outrageous doesn't mean it's so. |
Agreed with Bonnie.....
Eddie, I agree with you too. |
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9/18/15 5:15 pm
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Cojak |
This is confusing on a lot of sides. To this day my son practically despises LEOs. From an experience in his early teens. He was picked up from a description of being close to a break-in. No evidence he was involved. When I arrived at the police station he was refusing to talk. I asked the officers to leave me with him and I found out he was involved He was spending the night with some boys who had planned this. He refused to go inside, afraid to come home, so he stayed outside. He had no contraband.
To make a long night short I forced him, against his will, to tell the truth. They repeatedly promised me and my son, nothing will happen to you, we are only interested the perpetrators.
Well it didn't work that way. The other guys were from 'families' and their lawyers got the boys off completely, that only left my son. Who was then the 'snitch' and took the full force. Which reacted on the family and hit us too.
So, I am not that crazy about LEO's although I do respect them and know we need them. I also know they sometimes Ain't fair and lie.
This situation? Could have been handled differently, BUT a teenager (nerdy or not) knows much more than you and I about a lot of things. He could have been being 'cute ' to push the envelope. ANY TEENAGER IN THIS USA unless he is retarded or simple, knows what clocks are used for, other than time. If he is a Muslim American Teen, he also knows the dangers of his actions.
So like I said with my experience I can see why he would keep his mouth shut. 30+ years ago my son told me, "Dad, I don't have to say a thing, and he was right.
I learned that day there is legally right and morally right. 
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9/18/15 5:16 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
He did talk. He did answer yes when he was asked what it was. He answered more than "yes" -- he told them what it was. He didn't offer a "broader explanation", which is apparently what they wanted from him. You make it sound like he refused to say anything. He said exactly what it was, but didn't have some magical explanation beyond the obvious.
I'm not sure what your son would have done differently. "Is it a clock?" "Yes, it's a clock." "And..?" |
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9/18/15 5:18 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| Quote: | “We have no information that he claimed it was a bomb,” McLellan said. “He kept maintaining it was a clock, but there was no broader explanation.”
Asked what broader explanation the boy could have given, the spokesman explained:
“It could reasonably be mistaken as a device if left in a bathroom or under a car. The concern was, what was this thing built for? Do we take him into custody?” |
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/northwest-dallas-county/headlines/20150915-irving-ninth-grader-arrested-after-taking-homemade-clock-to-school.ece
| Quote: | Irving Police spokesman Officer James McLellan told the station, "We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only tell us that it was a clock."
The teenager did that because, well, it was a clock, he said. ... McLellan told the Dallas Morning News that Ahmed insisted the device was a clock, and that police have no reason to think it was dangerous and "no information that he claimed it was a bomb."
Still, police wanted "a broader explanation" from the teen, McLellan said. |
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/16/us/texas-student-ahmed-muslim-clock-bomb/index.html?eref=rss_latest
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9/18/15 5:22 pm
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diakoneo |
Clocks?
Why do you need a brief case to make a clock?
I do not see the practicality of building a clock?
He is 14 not 5. Where is the great ingenuity to building a clock at 14? Some are building radios and robots at that age! Something stinks here... |
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9/18/15 5:26 pm
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Cojak |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | He did talk. He did answer yes when he was asked what it was. He answered more than "yes" -- he told them what it was. He didn't offer a "broader explanation", which is apparently what they wanted from him. You make it sound like he refused to say anything. He said exactly what it was, but didn't have some magical explanation beyond the obvious.
I'm not sure what your son would have done differently. "Is it a clock?" "Yes, it's a clock." "And..?" |
I do understand where you are coming from DD, but still I have had nerdy friends who were not 'ignorant' of the world. At 14, remember? we all thought we were grown. I am sure this kid has had enough 'rag-head' jokes thrown at him. They have had a couple well publicized incidents of terrorism. I keep trying to give the 14 yr old a break for being 'stupid'/ 'maybe that ignorant, but it is hard.
Also, WE ARE TOLD BY HOMELAND SECURITY to watch and report. When someone does, they are the bad guys. It did not end badly. I doubt if the kid was traumatized for life. He may end up like my 54 yr old son, but you cannot fix every thing and haven't we learned to lean toward 'safe' instead of sorry. 
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Dave Dorsey |
I don't have any problem with the teachers being safe, or even calling the police. Putting the kid in handcuffs, though, is just beyond absurd. The police should have been smart enough to take one look at the device, see that there was obviously nothing but a circuit board and an LED display, and been done with it. Instead, they arrested the kid because he didn't have any answer for what it was... other than to tell them exactly what it was. But, like I said, I don't think there was anything racial or prejudiced about that. Zero tolerance is killing the light in the hearts of kids of all races.
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9/18/15 6:39 pm
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Cojak |
Years ago before 9/11 I was stationed in DC. The exchange had a sale on Smoke detectors, I bought 2. Smoke detectors were new to residential housing. I put them in my brief case and headed for Washington National.
Passed thru Security and I was spun around and put up against the wall.
As I turned I saw my smoke detectors on the screen batteries and wires. "They are smoke detectors," I said." And I'm an ignorant Navy Chief in Naval Intelligence." There was no trouble I demonstrated the units and boarded. What if this kid would have been taking that to a science fair NOW, after 9/11. At an airport they would not make light of 'just a clock'.
I mean If I see a kid with clock/timer wires battery etc, and yep profiling, he is a Muslim, I am going to be very wary. I am not stupid, I actually think profiling is wise. We have had a couple stupid white terrorists, but we have had #s of Muslim descent. I prefer safe to sorry. Here I am sorry I do appear to be a broken record.
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caseyleejones |
When they asked the boy if he had explosives of any kind, his reply was...it's a clock. Police asked this numerous times wondering if he stashed explosives somewhere....his reply was the same.
He was not cuffed and escorted out of the school. He was cuffed in the police station. When the cuffs were to be removed, the parent requested they remain on until someone would come and picture him. This photo was immediately turned over to an Islamic group in America for immediate release.
That was in the link....looking for it now ....found it on my phone.... |
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9/19/15 12:12 am
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From what I read, I think the school made the right move in calling the police to check the clock to see if it was something dangerous.
But I think the police made the wrong move by arresting the poor kid. Most grown-ups would know better than to put a clock in a briefcase like that. But kids his age aren't likely to think as deeply about these things. I haven't seen brief case bombs in movies in the past few decades. Bombs are smaller in movies these days, so he probably didn't get the connection between a brief case with a timer and a bomb.
The teacher could have sat him down and explained to him why the device he made looked scary without his being arrested. Once the police knew it was a clock, they should have dropped the matter.
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Dave Dorsey |
| caseyleejones wrote: | | the cuffs were to be removed, the parent requested they remain on until someone would come and picture him. This photo was immediately turned over to an Islamic group in America for immediate release. |
Oh come on, Casey! |
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