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A Board of Inquiry vs a Trial Board

 
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Post A Board of Inquiry vs a Trial Board cogcia
In 2006 I heard of a pastor being called before a board of inquiry concerning doctrinal error. The pastor did not know what the meeting was about. He was just told it was a board of Inquiry. The charges caught him completely off guard.

The pastor knew the AB did not care for him, but he was totally stocked that the AB was bring these charges. The AB would say "I was told you said so and so in a sermon about speaking in tongues." This went on for over an hour. All the pastor would say was I never said that or who said I said that?

After the meeting the pastor was inform that he was to be out of the parsonage in two weeks and that he was not to return to a church service. He was given the opportunity to go into a 18 month restoration process. He felt abandoned and bullied and decided to go independent and now has a church almost twice the size they took from him.

Also 3 of the men who served on the board of inquiry has come to my friend later and apologized saying later they have come to believe this was more railroading because the AB had heard this pastor had voted against him. I am happy to say He has no bitterness. Maybe even a little thankfulness that it worked out like it did.

My question: What is the difference between a board of inquiry and a trail board? Before a minister's licenses can be taken do they have time and knowledge of the charges to prepare a defense?

Does a board of inquiry have the power to take a ministers license since the minister could not be given proper time to prepare a defense if he or she did not know what they where going to be facing?
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Post Re: A board of inquiry vs a trial board roughridercog
cogcia wrote:
In 2006 I heard of a pastor being called before a board of inquiry concerning doctrinal era. The pastor did not know what the meeting was about. He was just told it was a board of Inquiry. The charges caught him completely off guard. The pastor knew the AB did not care for him, but he was totally stocked that the AB was bring these charges. The AB would say I was told you said so and so in a sermon about speaking in tongues. This went on for over an hour. All the pastor would say was I never said that or who said I said that. After the meeting the pastor was inform that he was to be out of the parsonage in two weeks and that he was not to return to a church service. He was given the opportunity to go into a 18 month restoration process. He felt abandoned and bullied and decided to go independent and now has a church almost twist the size they took from him. Also 3 of the men that served on the board of inquiry has come to my friend late and apologized saying later they come to learn this was more railroading because the AB had heard this pastor had voted against him. I am happy to say He has no bitterness. Maybe even a little thankfulness that it worked out like it did. My question is
What is the difference between a board of inquiry and a trail board?
Before a ministers licenses can be taken do they have time and knowledge of the charges to prepare a defense?
Does a board of inquiry have the power to take a ministers license since the minister could not be given proper time to prepare a defense if he or she did not know what they where going to be facing?


It's odd you bring this up. I have a friend who was just railroaded by a similar process. He was given no chance to prepare a defense, just told what was going to happen.
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Post DHDRabbi
I have a question too. When this happens, does the pastor not get an appeal to international headquarters? [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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I bet it happens a lot more times than we know. Acts-dicted
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DHDRabbi wrote:
I have a question too. When this happens, does the pastor not get an appeal to international headquarters?


This is why it in an imperative for pastors to know the Minutes. There is a space of time for an appeals, plus the individual has a chance to bring in a representative, not as legal council, but as an advocate. In the case of the friend of mine, this opportunity was not given nor the appeal time.
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Post Truman Here Truman Smith
Fellows a Board of Inquiry is the first step in going to trial for any charges . If the Board finds sufficient evidence of wrong doings then you go to trial and then If one is found guilty of an offence then he is removed or whatever the AB wants to do .

Now the bottom line in the COG is that the AB can do WHATEVER HE WANTS TO AT ANYTIME . It may not be the same today but on our Licenses it is or was clearly stated , " This License may be revoked for any reason ". The AB is in total charge of any Minister in his state . He can fire you any time he wants to without you having any recourse.

The only recourse is for the pastor is that he endears himself to a congregation to the extent that if he is fired he can take his congregation with him when he is forced to leave . Now this is effective if he has a large debt on the properties . He (the AB) would rather be paid than to pay a churches debts .

Now the second is to threaten the AB with a law suit . Now I know that we are not to take a BROTHER to a civil court . But I would not hesitate a second if I was treated in any way that us unBrotherly . This is a statement that ABs hate to hear , " Now Brother I am sure you do not want to treat me like this , I'll take you to court in a heartbeat , I have the money to hire a lawyer and I have enough money to keep him hired . If you think I am bluffing just try me ".
Now if one does not have the money if you have a good enough case of abuse then there are attorneys that would love to have your case ,


I heard an AB say one time , " In a lawsuit The State always loses . If we win it still has cost us many dollars and much time ".

If this OP is correct in all that is stated , No question about its author , but as is often stated here there is always two sides to a story. Then I am pleased that the brother is happy and is fairing well . God Bless . T
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Post Question cogcia
The process just was not fair. He knew the AB was well connected and he knew no one.
What is the difference between a board of inquiry and a trail board?
Before a ministers licenses can be taken do they have time and knowledge of the charges to prepare a defense?
Does a board of inquiry have the power to take a ministers license since the minister could not be given proper time to prepare a defense if he or she did not know what they where going to be facing?
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Post Re: Question Randy Johnson
cogcia wrote:
The process just was not fair. He knew the AB was well connected and he knew no one.
What is the difference between a board of inquiry and a trail board?
Before a ministers licenses can be taken do they have time and knowledge of the charges to prepare a defense?
Does a board of inquiry have the power to take a ministers license since the minister could not be given proper time to prepare a defense if he or she did not know what they where going to be facing?


I think Truman answered that:

"Now the bottom line in the COG is that the AB can do WHATEVER HE WANTS TO AT ANYTIME . "
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Post JLarry
I have a good friend who was charged with lying. He was railroaded by his Ab and lost.

He appealed to the Gen. Dept and won his case.

The AB's response, they may be through with you but I am not.

The AB is long gone and my friend is still at his church and doing better than ever.
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Post DHDRabbi
Lying is an offense? Have they ever checked reports? Smile [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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Post Truman Here Truman Smith
JLarry wrote:
I have a good friend who was charged with lying. He was railroaded by his Ab and lost.

He appealed to the Gen. Dept and won his case.

The AB's response, they may be through with you but I am not.

The AB is long gone and my friend is still at his church and doing better than ever.



Larry that is the FUNNIEST EVER POSTED ON Acts. An AB accusing a fellow Minister of lying .It is a known fact that even among ABs it is a joke about lying being one of the Qualifications of being an AB .

Now I will not take a poll here but I wonder how many Acts members here could testify truthfully about an AB lying to them . I have had some lie to me . But they have been FEW and FAR between . the vast majority have been men of excellent character . Godly men with a heart to aid and bless the men and women under there care and Charge .
I heard a man say many years ago , " There is a small faction of corrupt folk in every profession ". I think I agree . Even Jesus had that problem . God Bless . T
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Post The bad news is... Randy Franklin
ABs can pretty much do whatever they want.

The good news is God doesn't need them to fulfill His will in your life.
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Post JLarry
Truman there is a pastor in our state that is known better as Lying ___________ if you are in our state and have been here a while you know who I speak of.

To my knowledge there has never been charges brought against him.

As far as AB's I have been a CoG minister since 1974. Most have been men of integrity.

To mention a few:

Paul Hinson
J. Frank Culpepper
F.L. Braddock
Robert Fisher
Carl Hart
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Post Truman Smith
JLarry wrote:
Truman there is a pastor in our state that is known better as Lying ___________ if you are in our state and have been here a while you know who I speak of.

To my knowledge there has never been charges brought against him.

As far as AB's I have been a CoG minister since 1974. Most have been men of integrity.

To mention a few:

Paul Hinson
J. Frank Culpepper
F.L. Braddock
Robert Fisher
Carl Hart



Larry I have never heard of a pastor being called out or even investigated for lying . Like I said there is a few less that desirable ones in any profession. God Bless . T
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Post Cojak
I was a pastor only 6 years, and thankfully I never had occasion to think my overseer lied to me.

However in one case I have person knowledge of, a leading pastor in NC was lied to by an ICON of the COG, but the ICON saw it differently. There are times a fellow just skirts the truth so he can feel better or puts his own spin on things to ease his own conscience. (But if it is not true what one says, it could be a lie!) Shocked

But to the OP, a pastor serves at the pleasure of an overseer. Of course name recognition and debt size always brings in the human element. That is a shame. Shocked
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Post I thought this would make interesting discussion LINK roughridercog
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Post Bro Bob
The story as described in the original post in this thread should have resulted in bringing charges against the AB.

He does have full and sole authority to assign and remove pastors from a particular church.

He does NOT have the authority to do it based on rumor or hearsay or to by-pass the language concerning charges made against a minister.

I quote from the 2004 Minutes. The section number changed some time after 2004, but I don't have a more recent copy.

Quote:
S66. Offending Ministers
B. Trial Procedures
1. Filing of Charges

Any charge brought against a minister must be in writing and
signed by the individual bringing the charge. Prior to any formal
trial or hearing, the State Overseer shall, where possible, arrange a
face-to-face meeting between the accused and the accuser, in keep-
ing with the commands of Jesus in Matthew 18:15-17. Said meeting to
be moderated by the state overseer, or one whom he shall appoint.


There is more about the process, too much to re-type.

Assuming the story is true as described, the fact that the overseer was asking the minister if he said this or that proves he (the overseer) is not the accuser. It further proves that he is acting upon hearsay, and not providing the minister the protections afforded him by the governing body of the Church of God, the same authority that tells us he IS the state overseer.

This overseer was out of harmony with New Testament doctrine himself, out of harmony with the teachings of the Church of God, out of harmony with the Governing Body of the Church of God, and was unfaithful in his oath to abide by the Minutes of the Church of God.
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Post Minutes Change Agent
The oath to abide by the Minutes of the COG is being overlooked more and more these days. I know of several situations where AB's gave pastors approval to deviate from the Minutes.

In my opinion the Minutes are mostly considered when they support something a pastor or AB wants and not something they don't support or want.

You can go into most local COG's and find many situations that do not reflect the Minutes. How many do you know of in your church?
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Three dots for a title of a post, and four dots for the text. Confused Golf Cart Mafia Underboss
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Bro Bob wrote:
Three dots for a title of a post, and four dots for the text. Confused


Come on BB, Morse code, but then I forgot all I know about that. We need an interpreter. Smile
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