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Post Is "morning after pill" abortion??? fortheleastofthese
I've recently had a discussion with some folks who think it is considered abortion...

From what I understand, it is just a higher dose of regular birth control pills...It creates a "hostile" environment for the egg to become fertilized.

I don't think it is right to limit birth control...The morning after pill (plan B) should be made available especially in cases of rape.
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Post Re: Is "morning after pill" abortion??? Clint Wills
fortheleastofthese wrote:
I've recently had a discussion with some folks who think it is considered abortion...

From what I understand, it is just a higher dose of regular birth control pills...It creates a "hostile" environment for the egg to become fertilized.

I don't think it is right to limit birth control...The morning after pill (plan B) should be made available especially in cases of rape.


I guess that would depend. I believe that once the sperm gets in the egg, there is life. If that hasn't happened by "the morning after", then I guess it wouldn't be abortion, but how do you know? I'd guess that it does happen within the first several hours more often then not. My wife was offered it one time when talking to her doctor about birth control, and her doctor explained that it doesn't allow a fertilized egg to attach to the ovarian wall (I'm talking WAY over my head here). To me, that's too far. Also, I don't believe that anything should be available in cases of rape that I don't believe is right in other cases. Rape or not, there is life, and according to His Word, God knew that life BEFORE it was formed in its mothers womb. Rape, incest, two teenagers being stupid, or a married couple that just doesn't want to have kids - it's all life, and God has a plan for each one of them.

Not to mention I HATE the name "plan B", that just sounds wrong.
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Post Dave Dorsey
It doesn't prevent fertilization, it prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus. You are correct that it essentially does what regular birth control does. My wife and I stopped using the pill for this reason, although I respect that there is room for individual conscience concerning this issue. [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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Dave Dorsey wrote:
It doesn't prevent fertilization, it prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus. You are correct that it essentially does what regular birth control does. My wife and I stopped using the pill for this reason, although I respect that there is room for individual conscience concerning this issue.


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Post JLarry
Regardless to what we believe here.

The socialist Dictator says you must provide the pill with no co-pay.
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Post theElder
JLarry wrote:
Regardless to what we believe here.

The socialist Dictator says you must provide the pill with no co-pay.


I believe the Communists were the first to discover that if you tell a lie often enough and with conviction that eventually it will become accepted as truth.

I'm beginning to see the same type of tactic being used on here by 'Christians'.

That is a real shame.
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Post Clint Wills
Dave Dorsey wrote:
It doesn't prevent fertilization, it prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus. You are correct that it essentially does what regular birth control does. My wife and I stopped using the pill for this reason, although I respect that there is room for individual conscience concerning this issue.


That's not true of every pill. My wife asked that specific question because we both feel very passionately about this subject. She did research, talked to her doctor, and she is not on a pill that doesn't allow the egg to be fertilized. I'm not exactly sure HOW it does that because I'm not a scientist, but that was a question that she very directly asked her doctor, and then went home and found an answer herself.

Not that it matters for much longer...daddy has a particular procedure coming up that will alleviate any questions. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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Post theElder
Clint wrote: ".....daddy has a particular procedure coming up that will alleviate any questions."

So it is ok for you to use an artificial method to prevent pregnancy but not for a women to use an artificial method Question
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Post Clint Wills
theElder wrote:
Clint wrote: ".....daddy has a particular procedure coming up that will alleviate any questions."

So it is ok for you to use an artificial method to prevent pregnancy but not for a women to use an artificial method Question


I didn't say that at all. My wife is currently using a birth control pill. It's just one that doesn't allow the egg to be fertilized rather than one that doesn't allow a fertilized egg to attach to the wall. That procedure will obviously prevent the egg from ever being fertilized.

It isn't, IMHO, ok for a woman to use a pill that kills a fertilized egg under any circumstances. Like Dave said, there is room for personal conscience in this, but that is where my conscience/convictions have left me.
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Sorry, Clint, I misunderstood where you were coming from. Acts Enthusiast
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Post Re: Is "morning after pill" abortion??? bonnie knox
fortheleastofthese wrote:
I've recently had a discussion with some folks who think it is considered abortion...

From what I understand, it is just a higher dose of regular birth control pills...It creates a "hostile" environment for the egg to become fertilized.

I don't think it is right to limit birth control...The morning after pill (plan B) should be made available especially in cases of rape.


Not right to limit birth control? Not right for whom? If women use abortion as a form of birth control, is it okay for the government to limit abortion?

As Dave mentioned, what is happening with the morning after pill is happening AFTER fertilization of the egg by the sperm. Now, some of the drug manufacturers are redefining "fertilization" to mean when the fertilized egg is actually implanted in the wall of the womb.
So when does life begin? Does it begin when the sperm joins the egg?

Of course the crux of the matter in the current discussions is that the government is forcing groups to pay for this even if it violates their conscience.
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Post bonnie knox
Quiet Wyatt wrote:
http://www.pfli.org/faq_oc.html


I have read that. I'm still not 100% sure of the conclusions. The reason they conclude that all pills are abortifacient is that the pregnancy rates are much lower than the breakthrough ovulation rates. (And how do they come up with the breakthrough ovulation rates, anyway?) I would think they would have to compare that difference to the difference in ovulation and pregnancy rates of someone NOT taking the pill. I'm thinking there are probably some times a fertilized egg does not implant when a woman is not on the pill.

(I don't think there is any question about the "morning after pill" though.)
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My wife had a miscarriage in 1990. I went with her to talk with the gynecologist who handled her D & C.

Understandably, my wife was upset at losing a child. In the course of the discussion with the gynecologist he told us that "sometimes the body knows what is best". He went on to explain to my wife and I that the body self-aborts frequently over the lifespan of a woman during her child bearing years, usually because there is something wrong in the conception process. Most women never know this happens because at the time it occurs it is still at a microscopic level and simply passes with the regular menstrual cycle unnoticed, but it is still a body self-aborted miscarriage.
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In the course of the discussion with the gynecologist he told us that "sometimes the body knows what is best". He went on to explain to my wife and I that the body self-aborts frequently over the lifespan of a woman during her child bearing years, usually because there is something wrong in the conception process.


I think that is the pat response they give to women who have miscarried (in a patronizing attempt to comfort them, imo). Who really knows whether the miscarried embryo was malformed or perfect? Only God. Who knows if the body knew what was best or if the body just malfunctioned as a result of the fallen world we are in?

But I do think it is probable that there are spontaneous abortions that occur unbeknownst to a woman and are just chalked up to a late menstrual cycle.
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Post Re: Is "morning after pill" abortion??? Quiet Wyatt
fortheleastofthese wrote:
I've recently had a discussion with some folks who think it is considered abortion...

From what I understand, it is just a higher dose of regular birth control pills...It creates a "hostile" environment for the egg to become fertilized.

I don't think it is right to limit birth control...The morning after pill (plan B) should be made available especially in cases of rape.


The morning after pill is, by definition, an abortifacient, not simply suppressor of ovulation.
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Post "morning after pill" vs RU486 Ed Brewer
Simple answer - YES, it is -- the difference is one of hormonal stimulation. Mifepristone (RU486) is a drug available in much of the world to stimulate spontaneous abortion up to 7 weeks of gestation (49 days) when combined with prostaglandin (muscle stimulant). The 'morning after pill', or legally "Plan B" is available over the counter as a high dose treatment of progestin (common birth control pill) given by licensed pharmacists without a prescription since 2009 to anyone over 17 years of age (and younger with prescription). Studies continue, but fundamentally the increased hormone interaction with Plan B is intended to interrupt ovulation, but there is some evidence that it creates a hostile environment for implantation of the fertilized egg - in essence, it is also technically an abortifacient, even though it is intended to ideally prevent the release of the egg within a few hours of 'relations'. The earlier the treatment is administered, the more likely it is that plan B will prevent the fertilization encounter, but by the 'morning after', it can also act as an antagonist to implantation. There is no way to target the function, and therefore it cannot be said with 100% certainty that plan B doesn't induce abortion just as RU486 and other methods do. It is indeed an extremely personal decision, but in my mind the possibility of killing an unborn child in the name of convenience or circumstance is too high a risk, and not justified when considering the sanctity of that life in comparison to the motive for intervention. That one should be left to 'the giver of life'.
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Post Re: Is "morning after pill" abortion??? fortheleastofthese
bonnie knox wrote:
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Not right to limit birth control? Not right for whom? If women use abortion as a form of birth control, is it okay for the government to limit abortion?

As Dave mentioned, what is happening with the morning after pill is happening AFTER fertilization of the egg by the sperm. Now, some of the drug manufacturers are redefining "fertilization" to mean when the fertilized egg is actually implanted in the wall of the womb.
So when does life begin? Does it begin when the sperm joins the egg?

Of course the crux of the matter in the current discussions is that the government is forcing groups to pay for this even if it violates their conscience.


Let me clarify that I mean oral "contraception" and not abortion as birth control.

My question is doesn't regular birth control work in the same way??? Is preventing implantation abortion?

Scientifically, one could define it as such if you want to define life as the moment the sperm makes contact with an egg. In my gut, my own conscious does not think taking a birth control pill (whether every day or the morning after) is the same as getting an abortion.

I just don't see taking the morning after pill or regular birth control pill the same as an injection, abortion pill, or having the actual operation.

That's my personal opinion. I consider myself pro-life, but I just don't feel like taking contraceptives is abortion. I don't have any bad will toward those who feel convicted about taking them either. That's totally fine!

I just don't believe taking an oral contraceptive before implantation is considered murder. Am I wrong and guilty of murder for feeling that way???
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Post Well.... Clint Wills
"Wrong" and "Guilty of murder" are two different things. I think the difference lies in how the contraception works. If a morning after pill is designed to prevent a fertilized egg from becoming a baby, then that is different than preventing an egg from being fertilized, right?

That is where my conviction lies. If an egg is never fertilized, then there is no question about whether or not there was life. If an egg is fertilized, but never allowed to develop, then we are in much more muddy waters.
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