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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7307 **1/26/11 9:54 am**

The Charismatic influence in the eighties (when I was there) was obvious.

Refer to Bro Randy's post for a good definition.

"Another distinction between the Classical Pentecostal and Charismatic is their view of the working of the Spirit. Classical Pentecostals tended to view the work of the Spirit as something that "came down" or "came upon them"; an almost irresistible takeover of their physical faculties by the Spirit of God. As a result, CPs viewed speaking in tongues as something only the Holy Spirit could "make them do" when He "came on them".

Charismatics, on the other hand, were taught for the most part) that the Holy Spirit already lived within them (either when they were confirmed in liturgical churches or 'saved' in more evangelical churches) and rather than receiving something that needed to come down from heaven on them, they needed to release the Spirit who was already in them and allow Him to manifest Himself in and through them.

Since the Holy Spirit was already in all believers from salvation, then everyone could speak in tongues if they wanted to, and they could do so whenever they wanted to, because the Spirit was always there to give them utterance. From this point of view, the phrase "receiving your prayer language" replaced the old Classical Pentecostal phrase "getting the baptism".

Leadership in the C/G embraced it in order to boost the numbers.

It's a philosophy, one of the evidences is excess in appearance.

It was like women were taking their pound of flesh for having to dress consertively for so long. Very Happy

We're not gonna take it anymore and we're not gonna do it anymore.

When the State Overseer's wives began to add to their wardrobe (little by little) the dam broke.

From my perspective at that time.
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bradfreeman

Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 **1/26/11 10:04 am**

usefull

Look at

Friendly Face Posts: 348 **1/26/11 10:45 am**

Marcus and Joni lamb and you see the best example of the CoG, more so that Tammy or Jan

NPS39

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1458 **1/26/11 10:55 am**

I think this is painting with a broad brush, classifying an entire denomination by the actions and attitudes of some.

What you also found were people that did not necessarily believe in the outward expression but were abiding by it due to loyalty to the church teachings. I know a pastor's that had her ears pierced prior to becoming CoG, in honor of her commitment she refrained from wearing earrings, but would put them in from time to time to keep the holes open...so were our keeping of the commitments heart felt or true convictions, or were we abiding by something we were taught to be correct?

I think the greater evil is that we in many places are losing our distinction as a Spirit-Filled church, has nothing to do with outward expression, but with a desire to fit in and be like everyone else.

We may have in many ways put too much emphasis on spiritual gifts and manifestations, but now we may not be putting enough. Our emphasis has to be on our relationship with Jesus Christ, living and operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, and allowing that power to enable us to reflect Christ and witness to others the story of Who He is and what He can and will do in their lives.

It doesn't have to be and isn't supposed to be a war between conservative or liberal, or labeling of classical or charismatic...we need Jesus and one another!

Randy Johnson

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5431 **1/26/11 11:09 am**

sheepdogandy

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7307 **1/26/11 12:41 pm**

sheepdogandy

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7307 **1/26/11 1:30 pm**

Striper?
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Charles A. Hutchins
Senior Pastor SPWC
Congregational Church of God

www.spwc.church

Randy Johnson

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5431 **1/26/11 1:39 pm**

Quiet Wyatt

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **1/26/11 1:47 pm**

Man judges on the outward.

It is not evident how a person wanting to look their best necessarily means they love the world and its ways. It is also not clear how wanting to look as plain and homely as possible is necessarily a sign of loving God.

aprilmay

Here's the real bus story

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1267 **1/26/11 2:08 pm**

The real story about the bus.

First, there’s no way the classical Pentecostals are on the back of the bus. They were the original group so when they got on the bus, the sat in the front. Then when other groups got on the bus, they had to go to the back because there were no seats in the front.

However, once the bus filled up, the emergents (who were really on the back of the bus) with their silver tongues, shaved heads (like francis chan) and their slick keynote presentations (see travis johnson) actually convinced the classical Pentecostals that the back of the bus was the front of the bus and the front was the back.

This reversal theology could not be proven since in fact the bus was not moving. No one could tell which end was front and which the back was.

Solution: Get off the bus. How can anybody get saved on a bus where everybody’s already saved?(and they don’t know where the front is) Get out of the salt shaker and quit caring about who gets what seat where.

bradfreeman

Re: Classical Pentecostals pushed to back of COG bus?

Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 **1/26/11 5:32 pm**

Clint Wills

First off...

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5161 **1/27/11 5:03 pm**

I am coming into this a little late, and I have not read all of the posts prior to this, so forgive me if I am repeating something.
From my experience the reason that a "classical pentecostal" would be left in the back of the bus, or pushed aside is simple: they are generally less motivated to evangelize. I have not been around it a lot, so my experience is somewhat limited. However, most of the people that I have been around would be the ones turning their nose up at a homeless person walking in the church doors, and taking it upon themselves to "convict" people. I am BY NO MEANS suggesting this is everyone who believes like that. One our best Sunday school teachers would fit this model to a T, and she is the most tender and soft-hearted person you'd ever meet. Even with her, though, there is not an outward focus. She is a fantastic teacher and her students love her, but that is the extent of it. She is a great person, and we need wonderful Sunday School teachers and I will always honor that. However, even "inside the church walls" ministries MUST have an outward focus.

Nick Park

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Quiet Wyatt

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Travis Johnson

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Rafael D Martinez

Nick, I bet that if we met the last time I was in Europe

Acts-dicted Posts: 7766 **1/29/11 10:48 pm**

Rafael D Martinez

Re: re: sheepdog

Acts-dicted Posts: 7766 **1/29/11 10:56 pm**

The strict Constructionis

I emerge from exile to say..............

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4295 **2/1/11 8:46 pm**

.........that I have been following this thread with much interest. Some of the UPC brethren are also paying attention. One commented to me the other day, "Will this be US having this discussion in another 10 years if the Lord tarries?"