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Are All Rapes Created Equal?

Acts-dicted Posts: 8625 **4/27/06 5:26 pm**

As you know, the NC Lacrosse Team is under fire for allegedly raping a dancer/stripper that came to their party.

Can I make an observation that may be unknowingly chauvanistic? There is a world of difference between the rape of, say, a young, pure lady and someone whose object is to incite feelings of arousal.

Now, I am NOT saying that both are not wrong--both ARE wrong!--but the man who rapes the former person ought to be killed. The person who, in the heat of the a moment incited by the actions of the second lady, well, he ought to be punished, but certainly not to the same extent...unless the crime was particularly heinous in nature (e.g., of a particularly violent nature, beating, etc.).

For instance, if a flirty young thing is out on a date, and it allowing all sorts of liberties to be taken, and so forth, and then decides that she doesn't want to after all...well, she has that right. But at the same time, the guy has a mitigating circumstance to claim, namely that the woman apparently "toyed" with him and then wanted to walk away consequence-free.

Again, doesn't make it right. It does, however, make it understandable.

If you play, you pay. BOTH THE GUY AND THE GIRL. The guy by being punished, the girl by being reprimanded and finding that the guy was not buried under the jail.

Further, in my universe, this "understanding" would be good for exactly ONE time. If a guy winds up in the same situation twice, he gets the full book thrown at him.

I am NOT justifying it. I am simply saying that there are factors that lessen the situation, in my eyes.

Thoughts?

Pastor Gary

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Acts Mod Posts: 3530 **4/27/06 5:54 pm**

So you are for one "boys will be boys" get-out-of-jail-free rape per testosterone-charged teenaged boy?

Do you have daughters?? Shocked

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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1458 **4/27/06 6:12 pm**

Rape is never right, the old adage that "she deserved it or asked for it" is archaic and ridiculous. I'm hoping you don't have daughters and that nothing ever happens to them!

revstevef

Re: Are All Rapes Created Equal?

Friendly Face Posts: 168 **4/27/06 6:36 pm**

Yo Dude,
This is RevSteve's wife. You said in your eyes that because of the lady's occupation the rape was "Lessened" in your eyes. In my opinion your eyes need put out!!!! NO MATTER what a women does for a living she does not deserve to be raped!!! Rape is Rape NO MATTER the circumstance!!!!! What if someone did this to your daughter, sister, mother Question

Should his punishment be less if for some reason they were living the same kind of life this women was. You don t know why this lady was working this particular way. Maybe she couldn't get help and had kids to feed or any other million reasons she could be doing what she was doing. GOD help you, cause with your attitude you need it....Paula

revstevef

Yo Dude, Rape is rape....

Friendly Face Posts: 168 **4/27/06 6:48 pm**

Yo Dude, Of course you can tell you stirred up my wife, as you have before on some of your ideas on issues.

Sometimes I don't understand your views, in the light of the gospel.
Rape makes the women the victim. How you can say not all rapes are heinous, I'll never know.

Every sinful and hurtful act has a consequence, and ultimately a punishment.
No matter how you justify them.

Steve

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Re: Are All Rapes Created Equal?

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **4/27/06 7:07 pm**

YoDude wrote,

TheBeebs

Yo,Dude.

Supreme Commander Posts: 2558 **4/27/06 7:25 pm**

Rape is about power and control, not passion. That's why decent men, even in a "tease" situation stop when the woman says no. The man who keeps going is proving that he can have anything he wants anytime he wants it.

Incidently, though it is rarely heard of, when the situation is reversed, it's still rape. If it's same sex, it's still rape. It's all about power and showing another person who's boss.

No means "N-O"
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Re: Are All Rapes Created Equal?

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 21953 **4/27/06 7:44 pm**

The WOMAN in question did exactly the same thing ten years ago. She failed to get money then and she will fail to get money now. Why should we take her word over theirs (accused) ? Her "job" kills 100% of her credibility with me. I question EVERY charge since the Jim Bakker/Jessica Hahn heist.
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God help you if your daughter ends up in that situation ..

Acts-dicted Posts: 7766 **4/27/06 7:57 pm**

Or anyone close to you.

Let's see how lenient you'll be then.

Rape is RAPE. If any of my nieces, God forbid, EVER get in the situation where they foolishly enticed a boy due to their hormones flowing, and if in the end she realizes that this isn't where they wanted to be but found the boy unstoppable, do you think that's going to lessen my outrage or my desire to see justice done?

How does circumstance somehow "lessen" the violation of a woman's body by the force of a man's lust? If a woman says NO, even if she carnally and sensually entices with some wicked teasing, the man needs to zip it, take a shower and leave. Just because she seems like she's being the way she is never excuses the act of violence.

All you seem to be setting forth to do is somehow defend the act of violence as if one degree is worse than another .. Dude, you just love stirring the pots of the outrageous, don't you?

agape

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Memory03

Re: God help you if your daughter ends up in that situation

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Yo Dude

Member Posts: 27 **4/27/06 8:53 pm**

If you ever give your heart to Jesus so many of your outrageous post will stop.
Either you have never read your Bible, don't care or your just full of bitterness that is destroying you.
No Christian would make such idiotic statements.

As a woman, I have every right to be outraged at your sickening post
By the way, if this woman is lying it doesn't change the fact that all rapes are equal; they are all sick acts of violence by out of control men or women and it has nothing to do with arousal but all about Satan controlling their desire to hurt someone.

If this dancers story is true it was a vicious crime which includes sodomy with a broom stick- NOTHING to do with arousal.

Memory03

Re: God help you if your daughter ends up in that situation

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 21953 **4/27/06 9:12 pm**

saved by grace

Re: Are All Rapes Created Equal?

New Member Posts: 23 **4/27/06 9:32 pm**

It was Duke lacrosse players, not NC, even though it is in NC. Tarheels are natural enemies of the dukies, kinda like the Hatfields & McCoys. Laughing

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Yo Dude

Let Us Reason Together...

Acts-dicted Posts: 8625 **4/27/06 11:34 pm**

In "Les Miserables" Jean Valjean is imprisioned for many years...for stealing a loaf of bread.

Are all thefts equal? No. All are WRONG. All are SIN. But there are degrees that we must discern if we are to exercise good judgment.

Will you agree, then, that stealing a loaf of bread is far less "criminal" and "wrong" than, say, stealing a child?

Would you agree that a woman who, angry at her husband, dumps the hot coffee in his lap and busts the carafe over his head, and as a result has to go to the emergency room with a black eye and a busted lip, is not in the same category as the faithful wife who is beaten for going to church?

Quite simply, one forced a confrontation...one was simply assaulted by a ogre.

Would you agree that the man who is killed playing Russian Roulette cannot command the same compassion as the 6-year-old child who is hit by a random, drive-by bullet?

The Bible says, "Can a man take fire into his bosom and not be burned?" And the truth of the matter is that if a woman is playing with fire by purposely putting herself in contexts that invite a level of intimacy usually reserved for the bedroom, in contexts that cause her to be entangled with strangers...then when she gets burned, I am supposed to act all outraged?

No one is arguing that what was done was not wrong! IT WAS WRONG. But there are degrees of wrong, folks. And for us to ignore those moral distinctions is to do the equivalent of blindly tossing EVERY killer in jail for life--whether they killed in cold-blood, in the heat of the moment, by accident, or in self-defense. That is, you are not making a distinction in your efforts to be politically correct.

A woman who would lead a man on and then, in cold calculation, tell him no (not to say at all that this is the lacrosse case)...well, she should NOT be raped, but if she is, I'm going to have to say, "Baby, you played with fire, and you got burnt. He's guilty...but so are you."

And that really is all I am getting to: that all rapes are not just the man being guilty. Sometimes, they are both contributors to the crime. And let's stop all this ignorant nonsense of acting like, "Oh, dear! If a woman is raped for ANY REASON, she might as well have been pure as the driven snow, and the man is utterly and solely at fault."

And as for the scary lady who questioned my Christianity...I am neither unsaved nor bitter. I'm just honest. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all be?

Rape is a crime, and should be in all cases. But just as there can be mitigating factors for murder, there can be the same for rape. If a woman comes to a virtual frat party and does a striptease dance and things that no hormones will be stirred, and that she might, at the least, get pawed, she's crazy.

That is all I am trying to say. I'm not accusing or excusing anyone! But I am saying that we can't rubber stamp every rape as equally malicious and malevolent, even if we can stamp them all WRONG.

Love.

thejanitor

Yo Dude

Friendly Face Posts: 418 **4/27/06 11:57 pm**

Sorry, but it sounds like you're trying to compare apples to oranges in every context.

Stealing a loaf of bread and kidnapping?? They aren't even used in the same sentence.

A topless dancer's occupation, shameless as it may seem, is not illegal, but for a man to rape her because he can not control his impulse, I guess that 's what you'd call it, is very much illegal and unimaginable.
How can you think for a second that because of her chosen line of work it would lessen the criminality of the rape.
I think these women do this line of work because they don't have a choice or at least they don't feel like they do. They have families and bills just like the rest of us. What they need is someone to help pick them up out of their messy livelihood and show them a better way, but probably not you, yo dude.
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Yo..........

Supreme Commander Posts: 2558 **4/28/06 12:45 am**

Yo Dude

OK, let me try this again...

Acts-dicted Posts: 8625 **4/28/06 1:06 am**

Here are some NOTS to observe....

I am NOT saying that it's OK to rape a woman because of her line of profession. I AM saying that if that woman's ACTIONS (not her profession) serve to be provocative and otherwise inviting of sexually-charged behavior, then there are mitigating circumstances surrounding the matter. It's still wrong. Still criminal. Still deserving of punishment.

I am NOT saying that rape is about sex and not violence (actually, it's both). I AM saying that acting in a manner that inspires lust has consequences. It may be that a woman is thought of as a base person. It may be she is treated as a bimbo. It may be, in the right context, rape.

Look folks, there are consequences in this world! I don't like them, and you don't either, but they're still there!

Whatsoever a person sows, that will they reap. If you sow a flirty attitude, give come-hither looks, and wear provocative clothing, ladies, you are sending a signal that you are inviting sexual interest. No, you're not giving a signal that's it's OK to take advantage of you, but that's MY reading of it...another man--the wrong man!--will read that differently, perhaps.

All I am trying to get across is, I suppose, my feeling that we must balance our hysterical cries of "RAPE!" with some sort of judgment about the circumstances. That is, we cannot give proper judgment if we take the event out of its context. After all, that would mean that killing in self-defense was just as repugnant as cold-blooded murder.

Love.

Joy L Martinez

I gotta throw my hat in the ring...

Friendly Face Posts: 113 **4/28/06 3:32 am**

gocart 7 1/2

I feel I am listening to a DemLib Defense Attorney

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1086 **4/28/06 7:54 am**

like John Edwards (NC ultra liberal Democratic senator and vp candidate with Kerry-Heniz in'04) with a question like that. In the eyes of the law when a woman says no this means NO! It is irrelevent how she is dressed or what her profession happens to be. No = No. You sound like a Kennedy hired liberal defense attorney in a rape trail trying to create the impression for the jury that any woman that would dress a certain way and is employed as a stripper is just asking for it. Ergo, she is not a human being and deserve what she gets for her actions. What kind of cave man mentality is this? No = No

gocart 7 1/2

Re: Are All Rapes Created Equal?

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1086 **4/28/06 8:02 am**