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Phil Hoover |
| Travis Johnson wrote: | | mytwocents wrote: | It is my understanding the reason pen names are allowed on this board is so that individuals may express their opinion without fear of repraisal, particulary from COG Officials. So they are allowed to criticize certain actions with a degree of anonimity.
It would be a double standard to allow opinions to be offered that way when you agree with the opinions, but call for them to come out from behind the name when you don't.
You posted it. If you can't handle the critiques ask that it be deleted. |
I am not asking for people to not be anonymous. I'm asking people to get it right. If you are going to call my faith into question, then sign your name on the dotted line and explain how you became omnipotent or privy to information that God only possesses.
Agree or disagree...doesn't matter to me. But, you aren't God and you are in no position to judge my relationship with Him.
As for calling Rickie Moore a false prophet from behind a pen name, I would be left to conclude that you are fearful to own your position and back it up. I wouldn't tolerate a false prophet leading our Bible and Theology Dept at Lee. Have the stones to do something about it.
Sincerely,
Travis Johnson
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preach on, Travis, Preach on!
I'll turn the pages! 
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| My Dear Young Whining Travis |
mytwocents |
Just to make sure the record is clear:
I have never questioned your faith; your motives, YES, your faith, no!
Now, you are condemning people for questioning the "prophecy" when clearly we are told in scripture to "test the spirits" and see if they be of God. Now, should we obey you and accept this without question, or obey God and test the spirits? Hmmmmmm
As far as calling someone a false prophet, time will tell the truth of this of this prophecy. IMHO it was at least out of order; To those who want the prophecy to be fulfilled, they will find a way to apply it.
Honestly, I'd never heard of the man until this nugget was dropped on this board.
The fact that he teaches or is over the department of a college means nothing to me.
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Travis Johnson |
mytwocents,
When you're ready to talk without the name calling, let me know. You usually have good things to say...things that my whining youth and Rickie Moore's ineptitude, as you've so eloquently pointed out, might be able to benefit from.
- Travis Johnson (or to people who prefer to throw rocks anonymously from behind bushes, "the young whiner")
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| tw0 pennies |
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it must have escaped your most advanced reading or watching of this word. i ask you listen again to the part where the lady in question gave her permission to use her memorial service for this word. in my further exploring of this time not only did she give her permission but insisted that this was the time for this word to be shared. (imho) the idea that this was the wrong place is not up to us to decide. it was one of her wishes not just a time chosen by the man appoined to deliver the message.
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3/7/08 4:43 pm
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| Travis, You Have A Double Standard (IMHO) |
mytwocents |
Check your posts. You accused those who question the prophecy and/or prophet of "not having stones"; I would call that name calling.
I tell you that you are whining and you go off.
Please son, grow up. |
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| Re: Travis, You Have A Double Standard (IMHO) |
Travis Johnson |
| mytwocents wrote: | Check your posts. You accused those who question the prophecy and/or prophet of "not having stones"; I would call that name calling.
I tell you that you are whining and you go off.
Please son, grow up. |
Re: not having stones
Is he a false prophet? Am I expressing faux spirituality? Is Matt being disobedient to the Holy Spirit? Between you, youngbishop, and spartanfan, those were the accusations hurled from behind bushes of anonymity.
I wouldn't tolerate a false prophet as the chair of the Bible and Theology Dept. at Lee. So, yes. Where are your stones? What are you going to do about it? The answer would appear to be "nothing" other than condescend from behind the shadows.
Give me a call. Get one of those voice "garblers" and call me from a public pay phone. We'll talk one on one. Or, we can continue to verbal jousting in front of everyone on Acts, both appearing like children.
Sincerely,
"Sonny" (Travis Johnson to my friends)
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| Wow... (L) |
youngleader |
Travis, I care hear your whining all the way here in Tampa! 
There will be some who accept this, and some that won't.. I've given up trying to change minds on this board..
Sounds to me like some of you need to take the challenge at www.30daysexchallenge.com and stop the arguing... (cheap plug)
And for the record, the challenge has reaffirmed that my stones are exactly where they need to be, and they are in perfect working order! 
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| youngleader wrote: |
And for the record, the challenge has reaffirmed that my stones are exactly where they need to be, and they are in perfect working order! |
Oh dear!! 
Are we going to let this awesome thread end with this post? |
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Matt Boyd |
| "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse." Malachi 4:5, 6 |
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3/11/08 12:52 am
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| Wonderful Verse |
mytwocents |
| I believe Jesus said this had been fulfilled by a man named John the Baptist. |
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3/11/08 7:22 am
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Matt Boyd |
| mytwocents wrote: | | I believe Jesus said this had been fulfilled by a man named John the Baptist. |
Are you a fundamentalist?
Strict fundamentalists believe that there is one, and only, one correct interpretation of a scripture or prophecy.
If you are a preacher, does the Holy Spirit ever lead to a modern day applications of a Biblical texts? |
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| Answer My Question and I Will Answer Yours |
mytwocents |
| When Jesus said "I tell you Elijah has come (He was referring to John the Baptist" was He only telling half the truth? Is it that Elijah had come, but would continue to come again and again and again? Is the Spirit of Elijah moving in the church today, or the Spirit of Christ? |
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| Re: Answer My Question and I Will Answer Yours |
Matt Boyd |
| mytwocents wrote: | | When Jesus said "I tell you Elijah has come (He was referring to John the Baptist" was He only telling half the truth? Is it that Elijah had come, but would continue to come again and again and again? Is the Spirit of Elijah moving in the church today, or the Spirit of Christ? |
I really don't want to get into a fruitless argument with you.
From what I understand you believe that the only application of that scripture is found in the ministry of John the Baptist. I disagree, and believe God can still speak through that passage, renew his word in our day and communicate God's desire that the hearts of the fathers would turn to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers.
I am fine with us agreeing to disagree. |
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onetruegod |
Good Grief!
I think if this lady (in which the memorial service was being held for)
could read all these posts she would literally "turn over in her grave". |
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Travis Johnson |
| onetruegod wrote: | Good Grief!
I think if this lady (in which the memorial service was being held for)
could read all these posts she would literally "turn over in her grave". |
Is that necessary? First, she has a name, Brenda Taylor.
Second, if this is a word to the Church from the Holy Spirit, I'm certain that the Lord would like for us to discuss it. Everyone in this thread is big enough to be challenged and to challenge one another. The Scriptures (Prov 27:17) tells us to sharpen one another like iron sharpening iron. The clash can be healthy. Refusing to talk is the dysfunction. We can talk. We can handle it.
So, let's talk and encourage one another to talk. Behind each name is a human with ideas, hopes, and dreams. Even further, you'll find real people that have worth and value as created images of God. Let's not diminish the working of God through His people simply because they're human.
Let the conversation continue, even if it isn't perfect.
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| Travis Johnson wrote: | | onetruegod wrote: | Good Grief!
I think if this lady (in which the memorial service was being held for)
could read all these posts she would literally "turn over in her grave". |
Is that necessary? First, she has a name, Brenda Taylor.
Second, if this is a word to the Church from the Holy Spirit, I'm certain that the Lord would like for us to discuss it. Everyone in this thread is big enough to be challenged and to challenge one another. The Scriptures (Prov 27:17) tells us to sharpen one another like iron sharpening iron. The clash can be healthy. Refusing to talk is the dysfunction. We can talk. We can handle it.
So, let's talk and encourage one another to talk. Behind each name is a human with ideas, hopes, and dreams. Even further, you'll find real people that have worth and value as created images of God. Let's not diminish the working of God through His people simply because they're human.
Let the conversation continue, even if it isn't perfect. |
I meant no disrespect by not calling Brenda Taylor by name. My point was simply that our focus seemed to be far from where it needed to be. Just my opinion - just as you have shared yours. I don't believe this to be iron sharpening iron. There seems to be an undertone of attitude that says "I'm right and you're wrong". That's not open discussion that sharpens believers, that's a tactic of satan being disguised. |
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Travis Johnson |
onetrueGod,
I'm sure each of us think we're right on most things. That's what makes conversation so challenging. Matt believes the Holy Spirit has prompted him to run with this Word. Rickie Moore believed the Holy Spirit gave him this word, enough so that he would share it in our flagship church in the middle of Cleveland, and in a most sacred moment.
Mytwocents, youngbishop, and spartanfan have other opinions. So, we're talking about whether or not this is a prophecy, what its implications are on the COG, and what to do next.
I believe that in the process we don't need to diminish one another's spirituality. In that, I agree with you that that is uncalled for. Let's figure out how to discuss ideas without diminishing one another. But, if the choice is diminishing one another or not having the discussion, I would rather for it to become messy than to miss a divine moment, an opportunity to discuss God's heart for our lives.
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| Re: Okay Travis... |
Travis Johnson |
| spartanfan wrote: | | So I simply ask - when did the prophecy come true and has anyone (everyone)who tried to hold on with a little finger lost their ministry and salary? |
When did it come true? What if we are in the middle of it happening? I certainly don't expect you to see everything like I do. But, is it possible that it is taking place? Can the signs be all around us? A few things to consider:
1. Since 1996, we have gone from the "fastest growing denomination in the USA" according to Newsweek to a denomination that is closing more churches than we are opening. Still we have an abundance of paper churches. They exist in our state offices. They no longer exist in their communities.
2. In 2007, our Tithe receipts decreased from the previous year.
3. From 1990 to the present, our Tithe Receipts have more than doubled. During that same time, our denominational YCE budget has been cut in half.
4. Denominational Church Planting is only an idea. We don't do it. We are starving our babies (in that respect).
5. Church attendance in the USA COG is in decline.
Atrophy. Like a cancer, I see a slow death taking place. I see no homicide, no bullet put to the temple. I think the prophecy affirms that view. Within the prophecy, there is a hope. It does not declare death for all. It says the children will live.
Does that mean me? Who are the children? What are the parts of the body that nurture the children? I don't know those answers. The prophetic word was vague in that respect. I'm left to weigh the word against the Scriptures and to test it. You are too.
I am not going to make a blanket statement that I know for certain what it means. But, I do believe this is a word from the Holy Spirit to us. The times, events, and season seems to me to point to the fact that this is indeed a word from God to us. It's sad that in order to test the word, the spiritual authenticity of some are diminished. I find that disheartening.
Is it possible that we are in the middle of this prophetic word and that we have an opportunity to posture ourselves with repentant hearts?
| Quote: | | (1)When did all CoG nurturing cease? |
Again, I don't think that was ever inferred by the prophecy. I think just the opposite was said.
| Quote: | | (2)When did we lose our systems and salaries? |
I believe we are in that process. I would also believe that the last two General Assemblies, we missed divine moments where we could have given ourselves to a new course. Instead, we fought for our systems and salaries. Perhaps, we are about to experience a Hebrews 12 moment where everything that can be shaken will. Perhaps, so. But, I'm no prophet. But, I think I see the thunderheads on the horizon.
Let's embrace the rain that will come with the lightning and tornadoes.
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