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Post Dean Steenburgh
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I hope you have too.

You can count all of your marbles that I've prayed about it & I encourage it with all I come in contact with.
It's funny how we feel the Lord urges each of us & we come up with different directions. Shocked
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Sad. You are obviously willfully ignorant of what Trump is all about. Nothing I could cite for you would change your mind. Like I said, Trump's record/life speaks for itself. Anyone who thinks Trump is a conservative is unconscionably ignorant of the facts.


Trump doesn't even know what conservative is. His statements on things like single-payer, imminent domain, government ownership of open land, and more prove it every single day (and these are just things he's said DURING his campaign, not to mention the hundreds of things from before)
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Post Dean Steenburgh
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Sad. You are obviously willfully ignorant of what Trump is all about. Nothing I could cite for you would change your mind. Like I said, Trump's record/life speaks for itself. Anyone who thinks Trump is a conservative is unconscionably ignorant of the facts.


No QW I'm not willfully ignorant of Trump's ramblings & bumblings.
Actually I let you off the hook with the request for citing something more substantial other than news clips but you went on a little defense here.
If you're using news clips to shape your opinion of what Trump stands for then who is the true ignorant one here?
I'm not looking to get my mind changed because I'm not in his camp as I've said repeatedly & I am not claiming that he is conservative.
I will say that he is more conservative than she is.
But I think I can just about guarantee you that you believe they are politically leaning the same way?
Have you even read anything about her core beliefs on any website that offers a neutral position?
You can't read about her at Hillary.com & expect to read the core beliefs.

Like I said, it was just a request to see if you had anything more than news clips & you've answered my question quite well ...you have nothing.
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Dean Steenburgh wrote:


You can't read about her at Hillary.com & expect to read the core beliefs.



I'll just leave you with that one for a bit.
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Post Quiet Wyatt
Dean,

I have watched Trump with great interest throughout this campaign and before. I base my opinion of him on his own words in interviews and his own speeches on various networks, not just Fox, and his deeds.

Not sure why you're being so defensive of Trump.
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Post Dean Steenburgh
UncleJD wrote:
Dean Steenburgh wrote:


You can't read about her at Hillary.com & expect to read the core beliefs.



I'll just leave you with that one for a bit.


Hey JD when you want people to vote for you are you going to put stuff on their about world planned parenthood style offices in 3rd world countries?
How about mandatory gun confiscation?
Mix in a little re-arrangement of the current economic laws that protect our capital gains taxes?
Do you think she'll have that in her website?
Haven't checked her out yet huh?

I'll just leave you that one to chew on as well.
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I have watched Hillary as well, and am quite well acquainted with her stance on most things political. I find it strange that you would only resort to ridiculous insults of my intelligence, as if I am somehow ignorant of what Hillary stands for. All I have said is he is worse than her. I have never said she would be a good president. [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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Post Dean Steenburgh
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Dean,

I have watched Trump with great interest throughout this campaign and before. I base my opinion of him on his own words in interviews and his own speeches on various networks, not just Fox, and his deeds.

Not sure why you're being so defensive of Trump.


It's funny how words are interpreted as feelings. I'm not in his camp & I don't want to come across defensive or even mean to.
I'm keenly aware of a major flaw we have - the 2 party system.
One of those two parties will win & nobody else.
I cannot in good conscience bury my head in the sand & vote for someone who has zero chance of winning.
I really don't want Hillary in there ...no ...matter ...what!!!!!
If it takes having to swallow a bitter pill to vote for him in November, I will, ever so reluctantly.
I have a million other preferences but none of those are running against her.
I hope Rubio or Cruz overtake him that would be much better.

I enjoy debates but I would love to hear people talk about the real Hillary & the real Trump because both of these candidates have a deeper well than this lousy campaign. It takes digging.


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yes I hear support for her


Cite where you've heard support for Hillary Clinton on this board.
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Here is her miserable position on some of our educational challenges:

Not bad:
1. Hillary Clinton wants more respect for technical training. Though a graduate of an Ivy League establishment herself, Clinton has spoken publicly about placing a higher value on non-degree earners who obtain an education for technical positions. Relevant training, not the degree listed on a diploma, should be what matters when hiring. Will this mean more federal funding toward community colleges and technical training programs? I'm going to say "yes" as Clinton seems determined to elevate access to training and degree programs for all Americans.

Not good
2. Hillary Clinton does not like online degree programs. Though she has a pretty strong digital team (remember: she announced her Presidential candidacy on social media), Clinton has mentioned before that she is not a big fan of online learning for college purposes. "Technology is a tool, not a teacher," she was quoted as saying in 2014. Though I agree with her to an extent, I think that the higher education online degree train is already steaming down the track. Rather than discount its effectiveness, it may be more beneficial to develop accountability standards for these types of degree programs that ensures they are successful for their students, both academically and economically.

Not bad
3. Hillary Clinton wants for-profit colleges to have higher accountability. In the first week of her official campaign, Clinton spoke about the "troubled" state of for-profit colleges in the U.S. and how they need more oversight. She mentioned the especially shady practice of taking at-risk student dollars and then not doing enough to ensure that these students graduate and find jobs. Critics were quick to point out that she and husband Bill Clinton have close ties with Laureate, the fourth-largest for-profit higher education establishment in the U.S., but I think that Clinton means what she says. She isn't calling for an end to for-profit colleges; she is calling for higher accountability and that's something that can benefit students and administrations alike.

Extremely bad
4. Hillary Clinton is pro-Common Core. At her first official campaign stop in Iowa, Clinton praised Common Core and called parents who misunderstand the value of the controversial academics "unfortunate." She also inserted the idea that education is a "non-family" entity in the U.S., and an important one. For what it's worth, I agree with Clinton. I've seen too many parents argue against Common Core because it is different from what they did as kids -- but isn't that the point? The U.S. lags behind other developed countries, particularly when it comes to STEM topics, so we should be taking a different approach when it comes to these topics. While her "non-family" comment may appear harsh to some, I think it's good that Clinton is taking a confident approach early on and not softening her platform.

Not bad usually
5. Hillary Clinton likes charter schools. As far back as when her husband was in the position she now seeks, Hillary Clinton has been a supporter of quality charter schools in the U.S. During Bill Clinton's time in office, charter schools grew from 2,000 to 5,800 nationwide and he was quoted as saying he wished there was "10,000" that were available to the nation's youth. Hillary Clinton has already mentioned that she also supports pubic charter schools -- an issue that she coincidentally aligns her beliefs with Jeb Bush. Expect more rhetoric from her about how quality charter schools lead to more opportunities to at-risk American students.

Very bad - very bad!!!
6. Hillary Clinton does not like voucher programs. While she does support school choice as it exists as a form of public education, Clinton has always been opposed to allowing public funds to be used toward private and religious schools. As a New York Senator, Hillary Clinton voted against voucher programs in the state in 2001.

Pretty cool actually
7. Hillary Clinton is pro-teachers. As a Senator, Clinton voted for hiring more teachers instead of tutors on a few occasions and has always spoken out about providing adequate funding and resources for teachers. She has called teacher standards the heart of K-12 reform but believes that teachers need the government to support their efforts. Last year, American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten said he believes Clinton will be a "fantastic president." It is clear that Clinton expects a lot from K-12 teachers, especially in publicly funded schools, but that she wanted them to succeed and is invested in making that happen.

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8. Hillary Clinton is in favor of universal pre-K. Like President Obama, she believes that families should have no-cost access to early learning initiatives and that putting this necessary building block in place is not something that should be reserved for those who can afford it. Clinton has a little more oomph when it comes to this push, though, as she also sees universal pre-K as an affordable way for more women to be in the workplace.

Taking away the financial barrier of preschool means less money going out to daycare and less of an internal debate for women who want to work outside the home, but can't afford it because of daycare costs. Unfortunately, it is this "babysitting" mindset that turns many people, conservatives mainly, off to the idea of universal preschool. In the minds of some, if women want to work then finding affordable childcare is an individual family problem - not something that the government needs to step in and handle.

Source: blogs.edweek.org
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yes I hear support for her


Cite where you've heard support for Hillary Clinton on this board.
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bonnie knox wrote:
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yes I hear support for her


Cite where you've heard support for Hillary Clinton on this board.


What is your definition of 'support' - I kinda feel like you're fishing for something here in a non-congruent manner?

So if I cite what I feel is 'support' for her then it gives you the foothold to get others to pile on with their own defense against my interpretation.

Why don't we just read what others are saying Bonnie & let their words interpret the meaning.
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Post Quiet Wyatt
I have never supported Hillary for anything. She would be an absolute disaster as president. And Trump would be even worse. That's all I'm saying. [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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You said you hear support for her. What are you talking about?
I've read people's words and haven't heard anyone on Acts supporting Hillary.


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bonnie knox wrote:
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yes I hear support for her


Cite where you've heard support for Hillary Clinton on this board.


What is your definition of 'support' - I kinda feel like you're fishing for something here in a non-congruent manner?

So if I cite what I feel is 'support' for her then it gives you the foothold to get others to pile on with their own defense against my interpretation.

Why don't we just read what others are saying Bonnie & let their words interpret the meaning.
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I do not think, never have thought Trump was conservative. He is a loud mouth with an ego as big as Texas. But If he gets the nod, I will vote for him over Hillary. Even as I vote, I will think, here comes Hillary.
BUT if he were to win I think, I hope that the WEIGHT of the office will come to bare. AT least he can work with congress, and yes he will compromise, EVERY PRESIDENT should be able to compromise. That is what governing EVERYONE is all about. My hopes would be he would not compromise on a budget. If our finances are not reigned in, we will be another Greece with NO ONE to bail us out!

I am as sick as can be over out political system and my conservative brothers who are not willing to give an inch, and would rather be following the footsteps of Obama, that some change.

But as I write, I am not sure who will be checked on the Florida Primary ballot standing right beside my computer as I type. There is a note, DECIDE AND MAIL BY MARCH 10TH! Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused
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I do not think, never have thought Trump was conservative. He is a loud mouth with an ego as big as Texas. But If he gets the nod, I will vote for him over Hillary. Even as I vote, I will think, here comes Hillary.
BUT if he were to win I think, I hope that the WEIGHT of the office will come to bare. AT least he can work with congress, and yes he will compromise, EVERY PRESIDENT should be able to compromise. That is what governing EVERYONE is all about. My hopes would be he would not compromise on a budget. If our finances are not reigned in, we will be another Greece with NO ONE to bail us out!

I am as sick as can be over out political system and my conservative brothers who are not willing to give an inch, and would rather be following the footsteps of Obama, that some change.

But as I write, I am not sure who will be checked on the Florida Primary ballot standing right beside my computer as I type. There is a note, DECIDE AND MAIL BY MARCH 10TH! Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused


I hear you Cojak,
This guy is not my idea of a president but in comparison to her he's presidential.
At the end of the day if he gets elected he won't be able to run the country like a high roller. He will be subject to both houses of the legislative branch. The democrats will do everything they can to derail him and his efforts.
Now if she wins the opposite will be true.
She knows how the whole system works and she knows the flaws & weaknesses of the legislature. The GOP & Paul Ryan will crumble under her demands & she'll rule like the socialist queen that she is.
She is not 'slick willy' cause she's got something to prove & America will be her chess board.
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Dean Steenburgh wrote:
UncleJD wrote:
Dean Steenburgh wrote:


You can't read about her at Hillary.com & expect to read the core beliefs.



I'll just leave you with that one for a bit.


Hey JD when you want people to vote for you are you going to put stuff on their about world planned parenthood style offices in 3rd world countries?
How about mandatory gun confiscation?
Mix in a little re-arrangement of the current economic laws that protect our capital gains taxes?
Do you think she'll have that in her website?
Haven't checked her out yet huh?

I'll just leave you that one to chew on as well.


ok since it whizzed right by you, tell me again how you can't just believe what Hillary says about herself in her campaign (which I agree with 100%), but yet you can believe Trump despite what he's said so much more outside his campaign.
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Herr Hillary has only one overarching core belief, supported by numerous sub-beliefs:

The one core belief is:

Win the Election!


The sub-beliefs are:

Whatever must be done to achieve this objective, DO IT.

Ethics is a non-issue.
Honesty is undefinable.
Integrity is irrelevant.
Character is comical.
Truth is..., well, what is truth?
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Post Dean Steenburgh
UncleJD wrote:
Dean Steenburgh wrote:
UncleJD wrote:
Dean Steenburgh wrote:


You can't read about her at Hillary.com & expect to read the core beliefs.



I'll just leave you with that one for a bit.


Hey JD when you want people to vote for you are you going to put stuff on their about world planned parenthood style offices in 3rd world countries?
How about mandatory gun confiscation?
Mix in a little re-arrangement of the current economic laws that protect our capital gains taxes?
Do you think she'll have that in her website?
Haven't checked her out yet huh?

I'll just leave you that one to chew on as well.


ok since it whizzed right by you, tell me again how you can't just believe what Hillary says about herself in her campaign (which I agree with 100%), but yet you can believe Trump despite what he's said so much more outside his campaign.


You're obviously trying so hard and I appreciate your effort but we don't play your little game uncle. If you believe her good for you, now we're all good. However, I don't believe any of them, I'm just going to vote for the one that opposes Hillary. Since you agree with Hilary 100% (your words) you can believe her all you want.
Enjoy!

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Dean Steenburgh wrote:
Since you agree with Hilary 100% (your words) you can believe her all you want.
Enjoy!

It's super convenient when people reveal that they intend to debate and discuss things disingenuously. Makes it real easy to know who to ignore in the future.
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