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Nature Boy Florida |
There were many police officers in Dallas.
But 11 were gunned down last night - ambush style.
Several of them are dead.
The bad guys had bigger firepower than the officers.
Is it time to make those guns that can spray bullets everywhere illegal?
Or should every cop carry machine guns?
Does anyone have the answer?
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| I own several of those "assault weapons" as you call them.... |
caseyleejones |
They are semi-automatic rifles...only military can have assault weapons. If you look at those who own have used them to kill others, they are individuals who are felons and who should not own such weapons legally.
By the end of today, there will be more people killed by drunk driving than last night and it is illegal to drink and drive.
The worst domestic terror attack on Oklahoma was carried out through fertilizer and the Boston bombing was done with a pressure cooker.
Banning a gun will never stop a bad buy from doing bad things. |
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7/8/16 7:11 am
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bonnie knox |
I'm with caseylee on this.
What happened is an outrage, but the answer is not banning guns. |
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UncleJD |
| I can not believe that someone here would make this about guns. outrageous. This guy would not have stopped if he somehow could not obtain an illegal gun. He hates whites, he hates cops, he hates America. I'd bet he'd be the first to vote to take your 2nd Amendment rights away. He doesn't want armed citizens to stand up to him and his kind. |
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Change Agent |
| The new open carry laws allow a sniper to carry an automatic rifle in the middle of a crowd without fear that he may be confronted. On the broadcast last night people stated that they saw the sniper and even took pictures but did not call in a report because they knew carrying a rifle is not illegal in Texas. |
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7/8/16 9:01 am
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UncleJD |
| Change Agent wrote: | | The new open carry laws allow a sniper to carry an automatic rifle in the middle of a crowd without fear that he may be confronted. On the broadcast last night people stated that they saw the sniper and even took pictures but did not call in a report because they knew carrying a rifle is not illegal in Texas. |
That is false in every way. There is no "new" open-carry law for long-guns. The guy who was pictured in the crowd was not the shooter, he was just carrying to show he was exercising his 2nd amendment rights. That is a false story. The sniper was hiding in a perch the whole time.
This is not about guns, I checked and my guns didn't go out and murder anyone last night. This is about a society that has demonized law and order and personal freedom, period. A recipe for destruction if there ever was one and it is the fault of the POTUS for fostering it (on purpose many have been saying for years) |
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7/8/16 9:46 am
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Eddie Robbins |
Shooting officers is illegal. How does that law work?
I would love it if every assault weapon would disappear from the face of the earth. It's not going to happen. A law won't stop anything, |
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7/8/16 9:47 am
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c6thplayer1 |
That wont stop anything .... Chicago as an example of illegal weapons.
If your caught with an illegal firearm or in possession of firearm illegally it should be an automatic life sentence without parole in a max security prison. If that firearm caused harm or death to anyone the sentence should be death. |
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UncleJD |
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | That wont stop anything .... Chicago as an example of illegal weapons.
If your caught with an illegal firearm or in possession of firearm illegally it should be an automatic life sentence without parole in a max security prison. If that firearm caused harm or death to anyone the sentence should be death. |
I agree, Chicago is the best example of why more laws are not the answer. IF they ever decided to start enforcing the ones on the books, then I might be convinced that they are serious about stopping crime, until then, any "gun law" is purely about obtaining more power over citizens. |
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7/8/16 10:43 am
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Nature Boy Florida |
I gave you guys an option.
Ban the guns,
or let officers carry machine guns with them at all times.
We simply can't let the bad guys have more firepower.
We have made the last few shootings into: "If more people had guns the carnage wouldn't have been as bad" - yet this time - we had plenty of guns - but too small. Did any of you guys watch the guy with the semi automatic rifle mow down the officer with just a handgun? It was pretty sickening - but you will see what I mean. The officer never had a chance.
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7/8/16 10:44 am
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sheepdogandy |
You cannot stop the bad guys from having more firepower.
All you do is punish law abiding citizens.
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UncleJD |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | I gave you guys an option.
Ban the guns,
or let officers carry machine guns with them at all times.
We simply can't let the bad guys have more firepower.
We have made the last few shootings into: "If more people had guns the carnage wouldn't have been as bad" - yet this time - we had plenty of guns - but too small. Did any of you guys watch the guy with the semi automatic rifle mow down the officer with just a handgun? It was pretty sickening - but you will see what I mean. The officer never had a chance. |
Did anyone else ask the question, why did this large police presence at a protest known for violence, only wear their beat uniforms instead of riot gear and armor? I know I did, and I think I have a good idea of why.
As to the "assault rifles", you're making the exact argument I make every single time a lib asks "why do you 'need' that big of a gun?". I don't need anything, but I 'get' to have whatever gun they have. This is about the bad guys, not the rest of us. Yes, the cops should have had body-armor and machine guns, absolutely. |
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| U can ban everthing but a slingshot, but thugs, ruffians, and scallywags will secure what they want. The black mkt never closes. |
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7/8/16 12:00 pm
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diakoneo |
| Quote: | | Is it time to limit assault weapons? |
No.
My guns have not revolted yet. They sit quietly in my closet until I am ready to used them.
I know of no gun that has taken upon itself to carry out any kind of crime. Through carelessness and malice of men and women many men, women and children have been killed. Sometimes knives, cars, guns, baseball bats, chemicals of various kinds and assorted other devices are used. In each instance the device is just a tool that is misused or abused.
Let's not make the gun the issue. It is man that is problem and more specifically sinful man. |
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7/8/16 12:49 pm
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| NBF, yes, it's time. |
Aaron Scott |
I believe in the 2nd Amendment. I have guns myself.
But consider that almost under not circumstance but actual COMBAT do you need a gun that has a massive magazine, etc. You just don't unless you are one of those folks who keeps expecting the guvm't and their black helicopters to come crashing in.
Under virtually every normal circumstance, a shotgun or rifle with a handful of shots is plenty in virtually every hunting or home invasion circumstance.
Consider that is only in the movies where a highly skilled team of former SEALs gone bad are going to break into a home with highly advanced weapons, etc. In most case, if someone breaks in at all, they may not even have a gun, or if they do, they certainly don't have any firepower that will be more effective than your shotgun. Further, if there IS a gunfight, they aren't going to stay around long, since the police are going to be quickly on the way upon hearing of "shots fired."
I also think there is a bit of macho or, um, compensation going on with the purchase of these guns. They don't use them for hunting for the most part, but they get to parade around and play soldier, etc. At the same time, I do acknowledge that some people have sincere feelings about such things. I simply disagree that we have to have such vast firepower--especially when it can EASILY fall into the hands of the worst guys...and they can do incredible damage with it. |
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| Re: NBF, yes, it's time. |
caseyleejones |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | I believe in the 2nd Amendment. I have guns myself.
But consider that almost under not circumstance but actual COMBAT do you need a gun that has a massive magazine, etc. You just don't unless you are one of those folks who keeps expecting the guvm't and their black helicopters to come crashing in.
Under virtually every normal circumstance, a shotgun or rifle with a handful of shots is plenty in virtually every hunting or home invasion circumstance.
Consider that is only in the movies where a highly skilled team of former SEALs gone bad are going to break into a home with highly advanced weapons, etc. In most case, if someone breaks in at all, they may not even have a gun, or if they do, they certainly don't have any firepower that will be more effective than your shotgun. Further, if there IS a gunfight, they aren't going to stay around long, since the police are going to be quickly on the way upon hearing of "shots fired."
I also think there is a bit of macho or, um, compensation going on with the purchase of these guns. They don't use them for hunting for the most part, but they get to parade around and play soldier, etc. At the same time, I do acknowledge that some people have sincere feelings about such things. I simply disagree that we have to have such vast firepower--especially when it can EASILY fall into the hands of the worst guys...and they can do incredible damage with it. |
So Aaron, "you personally don't feel I have a need for my ar-15 or hi-cap mag".
Are there other things in my life that you feel I don't need? Why is it anyone's business to decide what I need or don't need?
Do you own more than one car? Do you really need it? How far do we go with this argument. There will be more people killed this hour ...across the US due to bad driving....than in Dallas last night...... Why not govern all vehicles to 70 mph. You don't need a mph hour more.
The fact is...I own 4 ar-15's. I like target shooting in my back yard. Most all of the mass shootings that transpire in the US are due people who are not supposed to have a gun.
Interesting stat, more are killed each year with hammers than the ar-15. Does anyone really need a hammer?
My whole point is I really have trouble and issues with people telling me what I need or don't need. Is it anyone else's business? Also, civilians cannot own assault weapons. |
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7/8/16 1:32 pm
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| Re: NBF, yes, it's time. |
UncleJD |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | | But consider that almost under not circumstance but actual COMBAT do you need a gun that has a massive magazine, etc. You just don't unless you are one of those folks who keeps expecting the guvm't and their black helicopters to come crashing in. |
That is false, there are countless examples of people defending their homes from multiple attackers with standard-capacity magazines (ones that you falsely call "massive") It happens frequently.
I don't have to justify anything to you, but as long as this guy or others like him have illegal access to a weapon of this kind, I will have the same access legally. the genie is out of the bottle. Soon we'll all be able to print them from a printer anyway, what then? |
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c6thplayer1 |
A simple thought ;
If the criminals think they need them for their occupation , then I need them also. |
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Eddie Robbins |
| Freedom. Just another reason to vote Libertarian. Don't we already have enough laws telling us what to do? When will we wake up? |
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