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Post My opinion on the ordained minister measure roughridercog
It would have had a much better chance of passing if someone would have suggested amending it by adding the word "male" to the measure.
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YOu are probably right in saying 'it would have aided in the passing'. Smile
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If a person can become ordained and be trusted with a church then why is it they can't be trusted to have a voice in choosing the leadership of that organization. It's no wonder we are 30 yrs behind times and men and women are leaving this denomination. It's not a question of biblical based policy, it's just politics plain and simple. Good ole boys club. Hey, DOC
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Post Nature Boy Florida
Was the word women or ladies on the agenda?
I didn't see it.
I thought it just said "Ordained" ministers.
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Question - If the General Assembly is the highest authority, is there a procedure in which they can "override" the Council?

Maybe OTCP can answer this question - In regards to the Council of 18, which is as I understand it the decedent of the 12 Elders that Tomlinson battled with, what is their function? How often do they meet?

Here's an observation and a question - It seems the COG makes a great effort in electing the best leaders possible (the 5 and the 18, plus leadership position and assistance, etc), but once they are seated they loss their voice in the "business" proceeds in perhaps the most important gathering. Why can't they take "privilege" to speak as James did in the Jerusalem council? Is this an institutionalized reaction to the early influence of Tomlinson?

I enjoyed watching the business successions yesterday. Thanks for the access.

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If a person can become ordained and be trusted with a church then why is it they can't be trusted to have a voice in choosing the leadership of that organization. It's no wonder we are 30 yrs behind times and men and women are leaving this denomination. It's not a question of biblical based policy, it's just politics plain and simple. Good ole boys club.


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Post roughridercog
Nature Boy Florida wrote:
Was the word women or ladies on the agenda?
I didn't see it.
I thought it just said "Ordained" ministers.
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That was my point. If it would have read male ordained ministers over the age of 25, it would have had a better chance. Because the rank of ordained minister includes both male and female, it automatically became an issue.
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Mat wrote:
Question - If the General Assembly is the highest authority, is there a procedure in which they can "override" the Council?


Yes. The General Assembly, which meets on Friday this week, will vote on whether to ratify the decisions of the General Council. It has happened before that the GA voted down a decision made by the GC.
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Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Mat wrote:
Question - If the General Assembly is the highest authority, is there a procedure in which they can "override" the Council?


Yes. The General Assembly, which meets on Friday this week, will vote on whether to ratify the decisions of the General Council. It has happened before that the GA voted down a decision made by the GC.


It will be interesting to see what measures come through the motions committee.
The General Assembly has voted down measures before.
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Can somebody help me to understand why people think that women are disqualified to hold office and have a voice through voting with the men? What is this based on? Acts-pert Poster
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Our ladies vote in the Conference.

They can hold every office except one.

We do not ordain women because...........................

none are the husband of one wife. Shocked
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sheepdogandy wrote:


We do not ordain women because...........................

none are the husband of one wife.
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Nah! I just put a pistol to their head.

Works every time. Laughing
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Post bonnie knox
I think you can break it down into a few categories.
There are those who have the misguided notion that the scripture prevents women from making decisions that will affect other people.
There are those who are very steeped in tradition and are unwilling to examine the basis of their traditions.
There are those who do not want to lose "control" over the decision making process, whether motivated by fear or by ego.
And I don't know if I should make a separate category for the folks like the guy from Soddy Daisy, but I suppose you could fit that cringe-worthiness into some of the above categories. If you read some of the comments on the nash16.com website, you will encounter a lot of glorious cringe-worthiness--the hysterical cries of "Jezebel spirit," the sanctimonious and incoherent claim that women want to be helpmates rather than a helpmeets, etc. Where do you start a dialogue with those kinds of comments?
Then you have the pervasiveness of patriarchal teaching. I noticed that one of the speakers for the General Assembly was Tony Evans. He seems to be popular with a couple of leaders in our church. I checked out part of one of his videos to see where he was coming from on the "women" issue. Not more than a few minutes into the particular video I chose, Evans was (erroneously, I believe) explaining that 1 Corinthians 11:3 was a "chain of command" that God had set in order. When popular speakers keep drilling it in, it just reinforces it even if it wouldn't hold up to the scrutiny of study.

Or maybe your question is rhetorical.

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Can somebody help me to understand why people think that women are disqualified to hold office and have a voice through voting with the men? What is this based on?
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Oh, that's preferable to centralized government, to be sure!Shocked

Glad to know you wouldn't be ordaining Jesus or Paul.Confused

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[quote="famousflavius"][quote="COG Watcher"]If a person can become ordained and be trusted with a church then why is it they can't be trusted to have a voice in choosing the leadership of that organization. It's no wonder we are 30 yrs behind times and men and women are leaving this denomination. It's not a question of biblical based policy, it's just politics plain and simple. Good ole boys club.[/quote]

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bonnie knox wrote:
Oh, that's preferable to centralized government, to be sure!Shocked

Glad to know you wouldn't be ordaining Jesus or Paul.Confused

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Nah! I just put a pistol to their head.

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Context darling, context. Cool
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roughridercog wrote:
Nature Boy Florida wrote:
Was the word women or ladies on the agenda?
I didn't see it.
I thought it just said "Ordained" ministers.
h

That was my point. If it would have read male ordained ministers over the age of 25, it would have had a better chance. Because the rank of ordained minister includes both male and female, it automatically became an issue.



If the word "male" would have been inserted into the measure, then couldn't it have been amended again to remove it by the Genersl Assembly?
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I'm not your darling, and I'm well aware of context. And I hope you're just joking about putting a pistol to anyone's head.
And yes, my second statement was in reference to a separate comment.

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bonnie knox wrote:
Oh, that's preferable to centralized government, to be sure!Shocked

Glad to know you wouldn't be ordaining Jesus or Paul.Confused

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Nah! I just put a pistol to their head.

Works every time. Laughing


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