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Cojak

The Hymnal, a new one on me!

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24278 **12/26/23 6:59 pm**

I attended a non denominational church service on Christmas Eve. The minister started off by asking how many people noticed WE do not use the Hymnal.

They are misused by denominations to ignore the Holy Spirit! Everyone KNOWS that the four verses in most Hymnals have 4 verses. #1 is about Salvation, #2 is about a pure life. Then #3 is about the Holy Ghost and #4 is about the Church.

We noticed for years TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT leaders would announce turn to page xxx we will sing the first, second and fourth verses. THUS IGNORING THE HOLY SPIRIT!
This church has sort of a Rock and Roll Praise team with the lights on bright for the stage and out for the congregation.

To be honest the pastor did a good job with the Word, but that example was new to me and I have been around many years. It has always been a practice to skip verses I always imagined for time purposes. I have never noticed it was always #3.

Have any of you ever heard of this?

I am not thinking it is a big deal, I was just surprised with a story I have never heard. Smile

PS The service was at a Rehab my son is presently forced to attend.
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Re: The Hymnal, a new one on me!

Acts-dicted Posts: 7588 **12/27/23 5:01 am**

SCFIRE

Acts-celerater Posts: 713 **12/27/23 8:58 am**

That's a brand new one on me too.
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Re: The Hymnal, a new one on me!

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **12/27/23 10:36 pm**

Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16622 **12/28/23 11:32 am**

I've done a lot of hymnal reading in my time.

I never noticed the third stanza(s) being about the Holy Spirit.

Amazing Grace third stanza:

The Lord hath promised good to me,
His word my hope secures;
He will my shield and portion be
As long as life endures.
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Cojak, I don't buy it....

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6032 **12/28/23 5:22 pm**

The first 22 pages of the Hymnal only have three verses.

Same with pages 28-39, 42-43...I don't want to go through all the pages, but I imagine that the vast majority have only 3 verses.

As for the whole "Holy Ghost" things, that's bull malarkey. Probably heard from a friend, who heard from a friend, who heard from a friend....

It's right up there with the false claim that Jesus preached more on hell than on heaven. NO HE DIDN'T. Someone wanted people to preach on hell more, apparently, so they came up with this claim.

And from what I can see of those with 4 verses, the third verse is not some verse that is "magically" about the Holy Ghost.

Cojak, go back to that church this coming Sunday...and rebuke the daylights out of that pastor for tossing the hymnal. I mean, was he unable to have his music director sing all the third verses if what he said was true?

UncleJD

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3145 **1/4/24 4:09 pm**

sounds like a case of stretching the facts to match the premise.

Cojak

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24278 **1/4/24 9:08 pm**

Thanks for the input, i smiled to myself when I heard it. The message was delivered at Faith Farm. My son is there for Rehab. It is sort of a strange place. I would give it a vote as a cult, but I am hoping it will be deferent after he has been there a few months.

Our first service there we stood for about an hour for some music and a preacher who spoke over the music about a sentence every 10 minutes.

But the last couple sermons have been fairly straight forward, except for the hymnal thing 3rd verse thing.

Son seems to think he will be REQUIRED to fall out under the power of the Holy Spirit before he can graduate. He doesn't say much about what goes on, it is like Teen Challenge where you are not allowed to talk about the procedure and things said in class. At least they do not read his mail going out, but does have to open all incoming mail in front of a member of the staff.
At Teen challenge they read incoming and outgoing.

At Faith Farm they do not read the incoming, just make sure nothing not allowed it sent in.

It is a very confusing place, but is is court mandated so it is either there or prison.
I would appreciate all the prayers for my son. At least he is required to read the Bible and required to memorize 5 verses a week.

And they do not allow the King JAmes Version, only the ESV.

We are trusting God to take care of our son. BTW Graduation from the full 10-12 months is 1%, yes that is what they told us, 1%...
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