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How long would it take you to read 5000 pages of #12 print???

 
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Post How long would it take you to read 5000 pages of #12 print??? Cojak
In a video posted to Twitter, Trump called the $600 direct payments agreed to over the weekend by congressional leadership “ridiculously low” and the 5,593-page bill a “disgrace.”

I am not shocked by the Twitter, This is not even about that. It is the size of the BILL.!!!!!

Just tell me how many congressmen read this. I remember Pelosi saying about the Obamacare bill, we will have to pass it to find out what is in it, or something to that effect.

I read a 500-600 page book in a few days. I cannot even think of reading over 5,000 pages of technical jargon. One of our Bibles large print is a little over 1800 pages.

Cn you even imagine what is hidden in the small print?????????
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Post The loophole... Aaron Scott
While the House of Representatives must vote on the bill and nothing but the bill...the Senate can add all sorts of riders to a bill.

Thus, a bill about, say, drilling for oil in the Arctic, might also include money for a museum in Key West. In other words, in the Senate, the rider may--and often does--have NOTHING to do with the actual bill in question...except that if the president wants to pass the bill, he has to accept all the junk attached with it.

Get rid of that provision, and ZOOM!
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Post Re: The loophole... Cojak
Aaron Scott wrote:
While the House of Representatives must vote on the bill and nothing but the bill...the Senate can add all sorts of riders to a bill.

Thus, a bill about, say, drilling for oil in the Arctic, might also include money for a museum in Key West. In other words, in the Senate, the rider may--and often does--have NOTHING to do with the actual bill in question...except that if the president wants to pass the bill, he has to accept all the junk attached with it.

Get rid of that provision, and ZOOM!

Ah ha! I did not know the attachments were in the count. Soooo Imma make a small donation for my congress man to add a double driveway for me (Maybe a house and double garage!) on the next transportation bill. Smile
Thanks for pointing that out. That sure makes a stack of paper!!! Shocked
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I understand why Reagan wanted a line item veto.

When I was in high school, I thought I might want to become a lawyer. Years later, I was reading an employment contract for a British company I worked for. I remember thinking how glad I was that I did not become a lawyer. Imagine reading and even worse, writing contracts, for a living. And think what senators and congressmen have to do? Yuck!
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Post GWB asked for the line-item veto... Aaron Scott
The Republican Congress (House and Senate) would not pass it.

So we see that both Democrat and Republican politicians are both foolish, ignorant, and will be the ruin of America.

I propose going to a new way of selecting our Reps and Senators....

Every state, based on its population (for Representatives), will select that many representatives from the various districts. Those eligible must be the Constitutional age minimum, must be born IN America, and have resided here for the last 10 years.

They serve ONE TERM--thus, there's no need to try to win reelection, so less chance for lobbyists to make much headway.

After all, a randomly selected Congress can't be any worse that what we already have.
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In my lifetime something was passed into law 'concerning line item veto but maybe term limits,' it was something in that area and the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional.
I could be way off base, but I can remember something that the supreme court ruled unconstitutional that I thought the decision was wrong. Confused Embarassed Smile
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You're right, Cojak. The line item veto was passed in 1996, IIRC, and was thrown out as unconstitutional in 1998. McCain and some others tried to pass a more limited version in 2006 (that's what Aaron's referring to, I believe).

I think the line item veto is bad news, personally. Too much power vested in the executive. The 2006 version focused just on earmarks, but I still think it deprives Congress of the power of the purse.

BTW, I am sure the very smart and very informed readers of Acts know that the foreign aid Trump is complaining about (and holding up desperately needed relief over) was all in the budget the White House sent to Congress. Very harmful, bad faith stuff on the part of the president.
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That said, I couldn't agree more about bill length. And especially when they only have a few hours before voting. Absolutely outrageous. [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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Dave Dorsey wrote:
You're right, Cojak. The line item veto was passed in 1996, IIRC, and was thrown out as unconstitutional .


Thanks DAve, I do have a problem with memory. I also have a problem with understanding government. I can remember several things I thought were great that were passed by Congress until in reality hit me and I said to my self, "Why didn't I see this coming!" One in particular when a Republican congress untied the attorney's hands and allowed them to advertise. They no longer were ambulance chasers, but it allowed them to advertise on Bill boards how much they had won in cases of law suits against companies. FLORIDA is AWASH on the roads with thousands of Bill boards touting things like: "INJURED? GIVE US A CALL WE GOT jOE 5 MILLION DOLLARS"

Anyway somtimes Ican't see past my nose. LOL Very Happy
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Post Re: How long would it take you to read 5000 pages of #12 print??? MayB2Day
Cojak wrote:
In a video posted to Twitter, Trump called the $600 direct payments agreed to over the weekend by congressional leadership “ridiculously low” and the 5,593-page bill a “disgrace.”

I am not shocked by the Twitter, This is not even about that. It is the size of the BILL.!!!!!

Just tell me how many congressmen read this. I remember Pelosi saying about the Obamacare bill, we will have to pass it to find out what is in it, or something to that effect.

I read a 500-600 page book in a few days. I cannot even think of reading over 5,000 pages of technical jargon. One of our Bibles large print is a little over 1800 pages.

Cn you even imagine what is hidden in the small print?????????


We don’t have staff to do our reading for us. These folks in the Congress never read the bills themselves. They have staff do it and the staff provides bullet point memos.
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