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| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | I strongly encourage you to research this stuff. You'll discover that the travesty that happened to Flynn happens *all the time*. |
All the time huh?
Let's review the record.
Flynn was part of the Obama admin. He knew their dirty secrets. So they had to have a plan to stop him from serving in Trump's admin. In an Oval Office meeting the question was debated: do we get him to commit a crime or just fired?
When it was all said and done the FBI agents that interviewed him didn't think he lied. Yet, they used the coercion of throwing his kid in jail for 100 years to railroad him into pleading guilty to something they knew he wasn't guilty of. Now, here is the kicker and here is what doesn't happen "all the time" as you claim - when what really happened was exposed the DoJ decided they would drop the charges and not pursue the case. But, you had an idiot, activist judge who for political reasons refused to drop it. They had to keep Flynn tied up with and to keep him quiet until after the election. They didn't want Biden's role in all of this to come out (as it turns out it really didn't matter what Biden did or didn't do, or even if he campaigned at all the steal was in). So no. What happened to Flynn doesn't happen all the time no matter how much you want it to.
You cannot compare what happened to Flynn to the garden variety plea bargains that happen all the time. And your hypothetical in response to Aaron is ridiculous. I've seen many cases where people didn't get 30 years for killing another person. Your hypothetical about threatening someone with 30 years for burning a cat is just ludicrous.
I read the articles you linked. Only one of the three made a passing reference to any coercion and that was from a report from the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. And even that story didn't cite any egregious examples to back their claim (just like you haven't - you only used a ridiculous hypothetical). My guess is the NACDL is just a bunch of bleeding heart liberals who fashioned a report to fit their narrative.
And you might want to get off Google and use a real, unbiased search engine for a change. If you did you would learn that a whole host of states have passed laws restoring voting rights to felons. Even very conservative places like Kentucky and Florida. And I agree that once they have paid their full debt to society that they should have those rights restored.
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The example I gave Aaron was a follow-up to his using the same terms, it was not meant to be taken literally. As for the rest, you could substantiate any of it with the most basic research on the topic of coercive plea bargains.
In general, you seem to be massively uninformed/disinformed on most every topic you discuss, and very insistent on staying that way. I hope you won't take any disrespect from me declining to engage with you further. |
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| Dave Dorsey wrote: | The example I gave Aaron was a follow-up to his using the same terms, it was not meant to be taken literally. As for the rest, you could substantiate any of it with the most basic research on the topic of coercive plea bargains.
In general, you seem to be massively uninformed/disinformed on most every topic you discuss, and very insistent on staying that way. I hope you won't take any disrespect from me declining to engage with you further. |
Yes, Aaron used the analogy of burning cats. But, it was you that added the ridiculous hypothetical threat of 30 years in prison to try to make a point that can’t be made. So don’t hide behind Aaron for your idiocy.
You seem to have a habit of thinking something is true just because you say it is. You think I’m uninformed/misinformed just because you say I am. I have backed every assertion with indispensable facts. It makes no sense in continuing to debate someone who throws all this bologna out there with no documentation. Take care and by all means continue to rely on the bias of Google.
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12/11/20 8:49 am
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| You fellas have gotten off the subject - l |
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| Re: You fellas have gotten off the subject - l |
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Cheating got Kemp elected over Stacey Abrams. She won by a landslide.
Georgia did an audit and a re-count. How many times do you want Trump to lose in Georgia. If there was fraud, it’s a simple proposition. Take the proof to the courts. Or, keep whining about it on social media. I know that doesn’t line up with QAnon but it’s truth. I’m just sad that “Christians†believe this dung. |
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12/11/20 11:24 am
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| Re: You fellas have gotten off the subject - l |
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| The COG Apostle wrote: | | Cheating got Kemp elected over Stacey Abrams. She won by a landslide. Georgia did an audit and a re-count. How many times do you want Trump to lose in Georgia. If there was fraud, it’s a simple proposition. Take the proof to the courts. |
That's exactly what they are doing taking it to court. And it's laughable that they simply recounted fraudulent votes. 500,000 of which they cannot trace. As far as the audit is concerned, they did not match envelopes to actual ballots. You can't do that when you are pulling ballots out of suitcases in the middle of the night. There are no envelopes for those ballots. So that audit was just a joke.
And, I noticed you posted no proof of your claim about Abrams winning. That's kind of lame from you "show us the proof" people.
Exactly what kind of cheating got Kemp elected?
And as far as QAnon is concerned, you seem to be the only one bringing them up (whoever they are.)
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| Re: You fellas have gotten off the subject - l |
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| MayB2Day wrote: | | The COG Apostle wrote: | | Cheating got Kemp elected over Stacey Abrams. She won by a landslide. Georgia did an audit and a re-count. How many times do you want Trump to lose in Georgia. If there was fraud, it’s a simple proposition. Take the proof to the courts. |
That's exactly what they are doing taking it to court. And it's laughable that they simply recounted fraudulent votes. 500,000 of which they cannot trace. As far as the audit is concerned, they did not match envelopes to actual ballots. You can't do that when you are pulling ballots out of suitcases in the middle of the night. There are no envelopes for those ballots. So that audit was just a joke.
And, I noticed you posted no proof of your claim about Abrams winning. That's kind of lame from you "show us the proof" people.
Exactly what kind of cheating got Kemp elected?
And as far as QAnon is concerned, you seem to be the only one bringing them up (whoever they are.) |
The bit about Abrams was a joke. I thought that was obvious. She didn’t win by a landslide. However, Trump says he won by a landslide even though he was beat by 8 million votes. He’s the only person to lose the popular vote twice. So, how are those lawsuits working out? They are all laughed out of court because there is NO proof. There won’t be. |
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| Re: You fellas have gotten off the subject - l |
MayB2Day |
| The COG Apostle wrote: | | MayB2Day wrote: | | The COG Apostle wrote: | | Cheating got Kemp elected over Stacey Abrams. She won by a landslide. Georgia did an audit and a re-count. How many times do you want Trump to lose in Georgia. If there was fraud, it’s a simple proposition. Take the proof to the courts. |
That's exactly what they are doing taking it to court. And it's laughable that they simply recounted fraudulent votes. 500,000 of which they cannot trace. As far as the audit is concerned, they did not match envelopes to actual ballots. You can't do that when you are pulling ballots out of suitcases in the middle of the night. There are no envelopes for those ballots. So that audit was just a joke.
And, I noticed you posted no proof of your claim about Abrams winning. That's kind of lame from you "show us the proof" people.
Exactly what kind of cheating got Kemp elected?
And as far as QAnon is concerned, you seem to be the only one bringing them up (whoever they are.) |
The bit about Abrams was a joke. I thought that was obvious. She didn’t win by a landslide. However, Trump says he won by a landslide even though he was beat by 8 million votes. He’s the only person to lose the popular vote twice. So, how are those lawsuits working out? They are all laughed out of court because there is NO proof. There won’t be. |
I don't live in Georgia. So tell me exactly how Abrams was cheated? My understanding of it is that inactive voters were removed from the voter roles according to what Georgia law requires.
As far as the lawsuits are concerned, they have not been dismissed for lack of proof. The latest suit to be dismissed was the one brought by Texas. The case was not decided on the merits. It was rejected for standing. A technical issue. You really should think about what you write before you write them. Your ignorance (lack of knowledge) shines through a lot.
With that being said, there is a ton of proof: videos of people running the same ballots through the tabulation machines multiple times, hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots with no creases in them (meaning they were never mailed), 500,000 mail-in ballots in Georgia that cannot be traced, hundreds of signed affidavits (under the penalty of perjury) from witnesses who saw the cheating and Dominion employees who outline how the software was purposely written to automatically perform linear transfers, etc.
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12/14/20 7:02 pm
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| You asked for proof? You’re welcome - l |
MayB2Day |
| The COG Apostle wrote: | | MayB2Day wrote: | | The COG Apostle wrote: | | Cheating got Kemp elected over Stacey Abrams. She won by a landslide. Georgia did an audit and a re-count. How many times do you want Trump to lose in Georgia. If there was fraud, it’s a simple proposition. Take the proof to the courts. |
That's exactly what they are doing taking it to court. And it's laughable that they simply recounted fraudulent votes. 500,000 of which they cannot trace. As far as the audit is concerned, they did not match envelopes to actual ballots. You can't do that when you are pulling ballots out of suitcases in the middle of the night. There are no envelopes for those ballots. So that audit was just a joke.
And, I noticed you posted no proof of your claim about Abrams winning. That's kind of lame from you "show us the proof" people.
Exactly what kind of cheating got Kemp elected?
And as far as QAnon is concerned, you seem to be the only one bringing them up (whoever they are.) |
The bit about Abrams was a joke. I thought that was obvious. She didn’t win by a landslide. However, Trump says he won by a landslide even though he was beat by 8 million votes. He’s the only person to lose the popular vote twice. So, how are those lawsuits working out? They are all laughed out of court because there is NO proof. There won’t be. |
Proof of felonious voting in Georgia:
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/12/13/with_runoffs_near_georgias_not_prosecuting_its_unprecedented_number_of_double_voters_126356.html
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12/14/20 7:57 pm
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| Re: You asked for proof? You’re welcome - l |
The COG Apostle |
| MayB2Day wrote: | | The COG Apostle wrote: | | MayB2Day wrote: | | The COG Apostle wrote: | | Cheating got Kemp elected over Stacey Abrams. She won by a landslide. Georgia did an audit and a re-count. How many times do you want Trump to lose in Georgia. If there was fraud, it’s a simple proposition. Take the proof to the courts. |
That's exactly what they are doing taking it to court. And it's laughable that they simply recounted fraudulent votes. 500,000 of which they cannot trace. As far as the audit is concerned, they did not match envelopes to actual ballots. You can't do that when you are pulling ballots out of suitcases in the middle of the night. There are no envelopes for those ballots. So that audit was just a joke.
And, I noticed you posted no proof of your claim about Abrams winning. That's kind of lame from you "show us the proof" people.
Exactly what kind of cheating got Kemp elected?
And as far as QAnon is concerned, you seem to be the only one bringing them up (whoever they are.) |
The bit about Abrams was a joke. I thought that was obvious. She didn’t win by a landslide. However, Trump says he won by a landslide even though he was beat by 8 million votes. He’s the only person to lose the popular vote twice. So, how are those lawsuits working out? They are all laughed out of court because there is NO proof. There won’t be. |
Proof of felonious voting in Georgia:
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/12/13/with_runoffs_near_georgias_not_prosecuting_its_unprecedented_number_of_double_voters_126356.html |
Take proof to court and stop talking about QAnon conspiracies on social media. It’s that simple. BTW, how many cases have been proven? |
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12/15/20 7:45 pm
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| Re: You asked for proof? You’re welcome - l |
MayB2Day |
| The COG Apostle wrote: | | MayB2Day wrote: | | The COG Apostle wrote: | | MayB2Day wrote: | | The COG Apostle wrote: | | Cheating got Kemp elected over Stacey Abrams. She won by a landslide. Georgia did an audit and a re-count. How many times do you want Trump to lose in Georgia. If there was fraud, it’s a simple proposition. Take the proof to the courts. |
That's exactly what they are doing taking it to court. And it's laughable that they simply recounted fraudulent votes. 500,000 of which they cannot trace. As far as the audit is concerned, they did not match envelopes to actual ballots. You can't do that when you are pulling ballots out of suitcases in the middle of the night. There are no envelopes for those ballots. So that audit was just a joke.
And, I noticed you posted no proof of your claim about Abrams winning. That's kind of lame from you "show us the proof" people.
Exactly what kind of cheating got Kemp elected?
And as far as QAnon is concerned, you seem to be the only one bringing them up (whoever they are.) |
The bit about Abrams was a joke. I thought that was obvious. She didn’t win by a landslide. However, Trump says he won by a landslide even though he was beat by 8 million votes. He’s the only person to lose the popular vote twice. So, how are those lawsuits working out? They are all laughed out of court because there is NO proof. There won’t be. |
Proof of felonious voting in Georgia:
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/12/13/with_runoffs_near_georgias_not_prosecuting_its_unprecedented_number_of_double_voters_126356.html |
Take proof to court and stop talking about QAnon conspiracies on social media. It’s that simple. BTW, how many cases have been proven? |
The felonious voting in Georgia has been proven by unfortunately the state won't won't prosecute. We are seeing the same thing over and over again. We have a countless number of whistleblowers going public with who they are and signing sworn affidavits (under the penalty of perjury) and testifying under oath (again, under the penalty of perjury) before legislative committees about what they saw, witnessed, and have 1st hand knowledge of and they are ignored, called conspiracy theorists, or called liars.
And I don't don't why you keep bringing up QAnon. No one seems to even know what that is or bring it up except you.
And I'm just curious, who made you an Apostle? Self appointed maybe?
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Here's a source you might be willing to listen to, Could It Be True.
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1342267564760522753?s=09
Dinesh D'Souza correctly says that plea bargains coercively pressure even innocent people to plead guilty, and that this coercive pressure is in use "most of the time".
I once again strongly encourage you to put your current assumptions aside and examine this injustice with clear eyes. What happened to Flynn is the norm. |
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12/26/20 9:37 am
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| Dave Dorsey wrote: | Here's a source you might be willing to listen to, Could It Be True.
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1342267564760522753?s=09
Dinesh D'Souza correctly says that plea bargains coercively pressure even innocent people to plead guilty, and that this coercive pressure is in use "most of the time".
I once again strongly encourage you to put your current assumptions aside and examine this injustice with clear eyes. What happened to Flynn is the norm. |
What happened to Flynn is not the norm. You can’t compare the average, everyday back and forth in plea bargains to what they did to Flynn. No matter how many you say it and want to believe it doesn’t make it true.
Do injustices happen? Of course they do. But you can’t compare them to what they put Flynn through. You can’t compare what happened to D’Souza to Flynn because D’Souza admits he did commit a crime. The FBI agents that interviewed Flynn never thought he lied. Yet he was railroaded for political reasons.
Care to try again ?
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12/26/20 10:10 pm
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| Ok, figured it was hopeless but wanted to make one last attempt. |
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12/26/20 10:14 pm
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| Apples and oranges |
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| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | Ok, figured it was hopeless but wanted to make one last attempt. |
You can’t even compare what happened to D’Souza to Flynn because D’Souza even admits he committed a crime. Flynn never committed a crime and the FBI agents that interviewed him never thought he did. Yet he was railroaded for political reasons.
Care to try again?
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