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caseyleejones

Is Dave Wilkerson a false prophet? He had a prophecy that did

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11791 **5/9/20 11:31 am**

not come to pass.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/testing-david-wilkersons-prophecy

I even remember DW talking and addressing it after the fact and after it did not come to pass.

Is this grounds for labeling him a false prophet?

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **5/9/20 11:56 am**

Depends whether or not he repented and moved forward with greater discernment and wisdom -- which I'd be willing to bet my house that he did, since one can find a handful of instances across decades of ministry and prophecy in the case of Wilkerson, rather than a handful of instances per week in the case of many of today's charismatic luminaries.

What an insult it would be to compare Wilkerson to folks like Shawn Bolz, Todd White, Ryan LaStrange, Patricia King, etc.

Resident Skeptic

Re: Is Dave Wilkerson a false prophet? He had a prophecy that did

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **5/9/20 1:16 pm**

Chicago27

Friendly Face Posts: 253 **5/9/20 1:19 pm**

He was not a prophet.

Dr.Acts

Friendly Face Posts: 104 **5/9/20 5:25 pm**

I asked not long ago if anyone else heard of David Wilkersonâ€™s prophecy about our organization given in Time Square Church some decade ago, but was quickly silenced by the establishment not to be poking about
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Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **5/9/20 5:42 pm**

Dr.Acts

Friendly Face Posts: 104 **5/9/20 7:56 pm**

It was a prediction in a very close circle and closely resembled his PTL one
Sorry I don't have first hand information on this one but seems important
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Carolyn Smith

Re: Is Dave Wilkerson a false prophet? He had a prophecy that did

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5909 **5/9/20 10:37 pm**

Chicago27

Friendly Face Posts: 253 **5/10/20 7:14 am**

The one â€œprophecyâ€ that was going around on social media was never said by him. Thatâ€™s another problem. People see something and if it fits into their narrative, they take it as gospel. Wilkerson is being used by people. Thatâ€™s not his fault. We live in a social media, meme filled world with no truth.

Carolyn Smith

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5909 **5/10/20 11:46 am**

caseyleejones

Carolyn is correct, that is not the one.

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11791 **5/10/20 1:42 pm**

UncleJD

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3138 **5/11/20 10:03 am**

He also said that he saw demons manipulating Mylon Lefevre concerts. I think he was a good and acomplished minister, who like everyone else, wasn't perfect. I also do not believe that he prophesied the current pandemic as attributed to him.

caseyleejones

LOL...I remember that....

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11791 **5/11/20 12:14 pm**

Da Sheik

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1860 **5/12/20 7:08 am**

I feel like every message Iâ€™ve ever read or heard from Times Square Church has been a somber message of warning or judgment. Granted, I donâ€™t follow their ministry so perhaps Iâ€™ve seen a very limited sample.

I do believe God used DW to reach many souls!

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **5/12/20 8:09 am**

Aaron Scott

Three thoughts....

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6032 **5/12/20 3:44 pm**

1. David Wilkerson would at times prophesy, but did not consider himself a prophet. Just as someone might preach a sermon every now and then, but not consider themselves a preacher (due to them not feeling it is their calling).

2. Yes, DW prophesied one time along the lines of some massive disaster that was going to hit America. If I recall correctly, he said that there would be a thousand fires burning in New York City. When this did not happen after a suitable period of time, he was a good enough man to say that he had underestimated the grace of God--i.e., that God was more long-suffering than he, David Wilkerson, had realized.

3. Yes, he said those things about Mylon LeFevre. And because Mylon felt that Wilkerson was a man of God, I seem to recall that Mylon stood down after that. I do not for a minute believe that there were demons doing all of that stuff. At the same time, I don't dismiss that David Wilkerson felt there were. DW was such an adversary of contemporary Christian music (or rock gospel, I guess you could say) that I believe his emotional/visceral response to the concert made him feel like the Spirit of God was revealing these things to him. To Mylon's credit, he did not clap back...in fact, I think he thought Wilkerson might actually have seen such things and Mylon wanted no part of it (I think Mylon may have been addicted to pain killers at the time, too...so he might have felt such guilt that he thought Wilkerson was right).

Wilkerson was a man of God. I believe Mylon was/is too--although he had some rough edges, I imagine. Being a Church of God boy, you know that Mylon respects things of the Spirit.

I know that if we have strong feeling about something, it can be conflated with what the Holy Ghost is speaking to us. For instance, as I fasted and prayed about getting married (she was beautiful, but I was 34 and she was 21--I had lived a long time as free as the wind...and I also didn't want to lose my virginity status, since the 144,000 were virgins!), I felt nervous, but I was able to discern that that was to be expected, and it was not the Holy Spirit trying to check me. So far, nearly 24 years later, it seems I was right.

I don't think a person should be dismissed because they got something wrong. Why do we suppose a person can speak in tongues out of order, but can then speak in tongues correctly the next service...but someone who prophesies incorrectly cannot be trusted again?

If someone USES "prophesying" to try to intimidate or manipulate, then, yes, they are banned. But if it seems sincere, and is just a case of someone with a heart for God "missing it," I take the approach that they are having to learn to follow the Spirit.

Just my two cents...about three things

revuriah

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3682 **5/12/20 7:43 pm**

Ronald

Q. How do we know:

Friendly Face Posts: 405 **5/15/20 8:57 pm**

that the prophecies "will not" come to pass?

Preacher777

Re: Q. How do we know:

Friendly Face Posts: 434 **5/16/20 7:08 am**

[quote="Ronald"]that the prophecies "will not" come to pass?[/quote]

Good point. If a prophecy is given without a timeline or a specific way to judge when such as who will win the next election can we judge it as false? I do not know the specifics of what is being questioned with David Wilkerson. We do know that Joel and many other prophets in the Bible could have been labeled as false because Joel never saw the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in his lifetime.