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Post Darrell Garrett
It was not my intention to bash the AB. I meant what I said, "I have no dog in this hunt." My original post agreeing with what AdamJ said about selling properties has been an issue in Illinois long before Rick Whitter became their AB. I'm not even saying I disagree with closing some of the churches. As far back as the late 90's I had proposed merging several churches around the state and selling some properties. However, I always felt like the money from sold properties should go back into church planting or strengthening the churches we had. That has not been happening for a long time, going back several AB's. So, if it came across that I attacked Rick Whitter, I apologize to him and to the readers. That was not my intention. I will say again, I'm out and have no dog in the hunt, and I will leave it at that. Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology
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Post Rick Whitter
I appreciate the apology but it's not necessary; no worries, sir. We're all just trying to navigate these difficult times. Blessings. Hey, DOC
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Post uthdude2000
AdamJ wrote:
We have sold tons of Churches, but none in a city named Cleveland. Selling churches is how we support the state office.
My question is Mandatory Support a new norm in the Church of God? Just never seen it to this degree. We are a smaller state and it will take years to recover from this style of leadership. If we do recover.


Mandatory Support, or they pull your license?? Is that what you are getting at?

ALSO, selling churches is 'how COG supports their state offices?"

Is that how certain small states feel or is that from HQ?


Poor leadership from Hill all the way down, if this is true.

**Sir Doyle, you can delete this post if you need to, but with leadership, comes the responsibility of helping those out under his guidance. IF this is the feelings of anyone, he needs to address it.**
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Post My two cents? roughridercog
I see our church moving quite slowly towards decentralization. Our leadership fights this but in the long run it may be better for our local churches. It will give them a greater sense of ownership of their church leading to taking responsibility. The idea of an AB appointing who he wants to a church against the church's wishes is a practice that needs to die.
It would be quite enlightening to some of our churches to go through a pastoral search.

Take my two cents and buy bubble gum. Laughing
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Post AdamJ
Roughridercog this is a problem. The Administrative Bishop
knows they hold total power if they wish to. Some shares the power while others love the power. My original question was asking is the normal or average AB requiring mandatory support? It is a destructive mindset in this day and time. I promise a promotion is all I want for him. I don’t want to do anything to harm that. I wish our AB no harm.
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Post Quiet Wyatt
Please clarify what you mean by ‘mandatory support,’ AdamJ. I know that we have always been encouraged to support the AB when it comes to programs and meetings, but I really can’t imagine getting one’s credentials revoked for missing Campmeeting or not contributing to a program. Acts-perienced Poster
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Post sadlytrue77
A few of these overseers are pure politicians. But so are some pastors. I never had the stomach for it. Glad my boy never did get licensed and at this point, with retirement closer every day I am ready to get out of it all.
One friend from a couple states north of mine was pretty disgusted with his prior overseer. He asked how in the world that guy became an overseer. The answer was that the overseer always knew who was on the comitee.
Surprise surprise, the guy that every pastro knew was all show with little substance got promoted one of the bigger state at the next assembly. just the way it works sometimes.
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Post Mandatory support? roughridercog
Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Please clarify what you mean by ‘mandatory support,’ AdamJ. I know that we have always been encouraged to support the AB when it comes to programs and meetings, but I really can’t imagine getting one’s credentials revoked for missing Campmeeting or not contributing to a program.


Here are some possible meanings.

1. The ministers promote and attend all state meetings. The AB will often take mental roll about who is there and who is not. The pastors make sure percentages and home missions monies are both sent in on time. If serving on a state board, they will be at every meeting.

2. A yes man who will agree with whatever the AB does or has the good sense to remain silent. This can be hard at times. We have great men as ABs. But let's face it. Many of us have experienced lying overseers. It goes on at times and when it does a minister is largely helpless to do anything. The easy road is to nod your head and say yes.

Any other meanings?
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Post Re: Mandatory support? AdamJ
roughridercog wrote:
Quiet Wyatt wrote:
Please clarify what you mean by ‘mandatory support,’ AdamJ. I know that we have always been encouraged to support the AB when it comes to programs and meetings, but I really can’t imagine getting one’s credentials revoked for missing Campmeeting or not contributing to a program.


Here are some possible meanings.

1. The ministers promote and attend all state meetings. The AB will often take mental roll about who is there and who is not. The pastors make sure percentages and home missions monies are both sent in on time. If serving on a state board, they will be at every meeting.

2. A yes man who will agree with whatever the AB does or has the good sense to remain silent. This can be hard at times. We have great men as ABs. But let's face it. Many of us have experienced lying overseers. It goes on at times and when it does a minister is largely helpless to do anything. The easy road is to nod your head and say yes.

Yes these are on point. Other Areas that could be places requiring mandatory support.
3. Use of State funds
4. Use of Properties
5. Firing church Staff and not being willing to explain.
6. Over steps of destroying ministers with many years of faithful service.
7. I am the AB and you can’t question my authority.
8. Pretending to value your opinion all the while you know his is going to do what he wants to do.
These are just examples of possibilities. Not saying all these are current issues.

Things I’ve seen year after year in the Church of God, but never to this degree. Many knows you have to (Go along to get along) or else you are gone. We have no desire to mention the State or AB. Knowing how the system works many of us voted for him in hopes he promotes. Our state needs a healing.
Mandatory support is alive and well. The System is set up to create this style of leadership. I have seen many in leadership that could have lead like this, but rose above that temptation. I’m hoping we see it again soon.

Any other meanings?
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Post cogcia
If you know what is good for you in this case you better not name the state or the name of your AB or you will pay the price. Even most of the State Leaders and District Overseers knows they have no voice. The System is bigger than the state. An old expression use to say “we know were the bodies are buried”. The better statement should be “no one cares where the bodies are buried”.
Just do like everyone else and hold your peace until assembly and pray you get some relief.
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Post sadlytrue77
cogcia wrote:
If you know what is good for you in this case you better not name the state or the name of your AB or you will pay the price. Even most of the State Leaders and District Overseers knows they have no voice. The System is bigger than the state. An old expression use to say “we know were the bodies are buried”. The better statement should be “no one cares where the bodies are buried”.
Just do like everyone else and hold your peace until assembly and pray you get some relief.


That's enough to gag a magot right there. Why on earth do we have to sit here and hope for relief. People know who the bad apples are they should call them out.
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Post Onthemend
This sad state is exactly what I read about in The Bishop's Blind Spot by Robert L. Wing. That kind of corruption is steeped through the whole system. Addressing one man about his problems wouldn't fix anything. It's a top down problem that needs to change in the culture of the denomination. Newbie
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