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Post Give me your best timeline: From Jesus’ death to the resurrection Eddie Robbins
Where did He go and what did He do. Be as specific as you can. Thanks! Acts-pert Poster
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Where are the theologians in this group? Acts-pert Poster
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Post Dave Dorsey
https://www.gotquestions.org/where-was-Jesus.html provides a good summary of the question. We know that he brought the saints who had died in faith to Heaven, and we know he proclaimed his victory to the fallen angels who were kept in chains. Beyond that, the Bible does not have much to say about where Jesus was or what He was doing between the crucifixion and the resurrection, and where the Bible is vague we would be unwise to offer conjecture that is specific.

The Bible is crystal clear on the *results* of Christ's finished work, and that is what we have been assigned to preach and declare.
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Post Nature Boy Florida
Eddie's been watching Rod Parsley videos again.
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Post No brotherjames
E W Kenyon.

There is the teaching emanating from Kenyon that says the devil had a party in hell as they danced around Jesus for 3 days. Stupid stuff. They get that from the also stupid incorrect belief that Jesus died spiritually. The mis- interpretation of 2 cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus NEVER BECAME SIN, He became an offering for sin. His spirit was the Holy Spirit, He always was God, how could God be separated from Himself? He felt the weight of sin, his flesh died and became glorified but He was not tormented in the grave for 3 days, He was preaching, He was in charge, He not only arose victorious after 3 days, He had to storming Hell itself for 3 days. Kenyon and the WoF people who teach this was and are wrong. They don't understand the OT sacrificial system.
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Post Eddie Robbins
So, do you believe that Jesus died, spent 3 days in hell preaching before he rose? Question.....if someone is in hell listening to way to escape, who wouldn’t listen? Another question....will Jesus do that again? And one more question....if Jesus spent 3 days in hell, what did He mean by “this day, you’ll be with me in paradise?”

This is why I am wondering about the timeline. Did He first go to paradise, then to hell?
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Post sheepdogandy
He went to Abraham's bosom.

Technically hell, but not the section of torment.

He preached to those who believed the Promise.

He escorted these to the New Jerusalem.

Cause nobody goes to heaven except through Jesus Christ.
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Post Eddie Robbins
sheepdogandy wrote:
He went to Abraham's bosom.

Technically hell, but not the section of torment.

He preached to those who believed the Promise.

He escorted these to the New Jerusalem.

Cause nobody goes to heaven except through Jesus Christ.


What about Paradise on the first day? And there’s a section of hell with no torment? I’ve never heard that before.
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Post Some thoughts... Aaron Scott
We know that Jesus went to hell:

(Acts 2:31 KJV) He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.


We know He went to paradise:

(Luke 23:43 KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


We understand that he preached to the spirits in prison.

(1 Peter 3:18 KJV) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
(1 Peter 3:19 KJV) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Now, are these three separate places or what? It COULD be, I suppose, paradise and "prison" (where Jesus preached to the spirits there) are one and the same).

But what order?

First of all, I have actually never given it much thought (if any) about the order of just what happened. We have a lot of preacherisms about it, but I don't know that we have anything very thoughtful.

At the same time, even with thought, it is OBVIOUSLY pure conjecture, but I tend to think He went to hell first (if by "hades" it is meant the place of suffering, etc.) I don't know if it was to "go to hell for us," but if so, then it seems that that would be the place He stopped off first to ensure all sins were taken care of. (NOTE: I do not believe Jesus burned in hell, etc. I'm not sure I have )

"Prison" was where I believe that good people--those who did the best they could with what light they had--were/are kept until they come to know Jesus (since there is no getting to the Father without Jesus). When Jesus came and preached to them there, it would seem to make sense that if "paradise" means something akin to heaven, than that would be the next stop of the three "stops" that I think were made. So hell...prison...paradise/heaven. Maybe.

Just my thoughts.
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Post Eddie Robbins
We also know that He said that He had not yet ascended to His Father a little later. How does that get thrown into the mix of where He had been? Acts-pert Poster
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Post Re: No Dave Dorsey
brotherjames wrote:
E W Kenyon.

There is the teaching emanating from Kenyon that says the devil had a party in hell as they danced around Jesus for 3 days. Stupid stuff. They get that from the also stupid incorrect belief that Jesus died spiritually. The mis- interpretation of 2 cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus NEVER BECAME SIN, He became an offering for sin. His spirit was the Holy Spirit, He always was God, how could God be separated from Himself? He felt the weight of sin, his flesh died and became glorified but He was not tormented in the grave for 3 days, He was preaching, He was in charge, He not only arose victorious after 3 days, He had to storming Hell itself for 3 days. Kenyon and the WoF people who teach this was and are wrong. They don't understand the OT sacrificial system.

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Luke 16:19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.
20 "But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,
21 "desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'
25 "But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
26 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'
27 "Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house,
28 'for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
29 "Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'
30 "And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 "But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'"

You have never heard this preached ER?
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Post Eddie Robbins
sheepdogandy wrote:
Luke 16:19 "There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.
20 "But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate,
21 "desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'
25 "But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
26 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'
27 "Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house,
28 'for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
29 "Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'
30 "And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 "But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'"

You have never heard this preached ER?


Of course I have read this parable. I just haven’t heard that there are different parts of hell.
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Post Bro Bob
If paradise and heaven are the same place then He did not see the thief in paradise that day.(* see below) He remained on Earth 40 days after His resurrection before He ascended to Heaven.

And does this fact matter at all? Jesus was resurrected. The thief was not.

Even more fundamental than believing that Jesus is your savior, everything, including that, hinges on one thing: His return.

As Paul said, If our HOPE in Christ is not beyond this life, then we have everything wrong. If Christ be not risen we are still in our sins, AND we have no hope of being resurrected.

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(*) There is no punctuation in the Greek text. If we were to place a comma after the word today rather than before it, the meaning changes totally.

Young's Literal Translation
and Jesus said to him, 'Verily I say to thee, To-day with me thou shalt be in the paradise.'

a translation nobody wants to consider:
and Jesus said to him, 'Verily I say to thee To-day, with me thou shalt be in the paradise.'

Southern version of the latter:
Son, I'm tellin' you right now, you will be with me in paradise!
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Post Cojak
Bro Bob wrote:
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Southern version of the latter:
Son, I'm tellin' you right now, you will be with me in paradise!


You had to say it, I love it.

Now seriously I am at a loss as a neophyte to give a good time line. But I am now 80, from the south and that interpretation I can agree with.
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Post Eddie Robbins
Bro Bob wrote:
If paradise and heaven are the same place then He did not see the thief in paradise that day.(* see below) He remained on Earth 40 days after His resurrection before He ascended to Heaven.

And does this fact matter at all? Jesus was resurrected. The thief was not.

Even more fundamental than believing that Jesus is your savior, everything, including that, hinges on one thing: His return.

As Paul said, If our HOPE in Christ is not beyond this life, then we have everything wrong. If Christ be not risen we are still in our sins, AND we have no hope of being resurrected.

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(*) There is no punctuation in the Greek text. If we were to place a comma after the word today rather than before it, the meaning changes totally.

Young's Literal Translation
and Jesus said to him, 'Verily I say to thee, To-day with me thou shalt be in the paradise.'

a translation nobody wants to consider:
and Jesus said to him, 'Verily I say to thee To-day, with me thou shalt be in the paradise.'

Southern version of the latter:
Son, I'm tellin' you right now, you will be with me in paradise!


Ahh...you touched on my main point! If Jesus didn’t physically be with the thief on THAT day, then what is called “soul sleep” makes much more sense. Like you say, it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme but it is interesting to consider. As far as the thief knew, it was that day.
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Post Nature Boy Florida
Where did souls go before the resurrection - including the thief?
That's the question.

Where do souls go after the resurrection?
Or do they go to soul sleep?
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Post I know 2 Corinthians 5:8 is the general answer to this brotherjames
Here is Barnes' commentary on this verse. It may not answer all your questions but it makes very good sense to me.

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident - 2Co 5:6. We are cheerful, and courageous, and ready to bear our trial. Tyndale renders it: “we are of good comfort.”

And willing rather to be absent from the body - We would prefer to die. The same idea occurs in Phi 1:23. “Having a desire to depart and to be with Christ; which is far better.” The sense is, that Paul would have preferred to die, and to go to heaven; rather than to remain in a world of sin and trial.

To be present with the Lord - The Lord Jesus; see the note on Act 1:24; compare Phi 1:23. The idea of Paul is, that the Lord Jesus would constitute the main glory of heaven, and that to be with him was equivalent to being in a place of perfect bliss. He had no idea of any heaven where the Lord Jesus was not; and to be with him was to be in heaven. That world where the Redeemer is, is heaven. This also proves that the spirits of the saints, when they depart, are with the Redeemer; that is, are at once taken to heaven. It demonstrates:

(1)That they are not annihilated.

(2)That they do not sleep, and remain in an unconscious state, as Dr. Priestley supposes.

(3)That they are not in some intermediate state, either in a state of purgatory, as the Papists suppose, or a state where all the souls of the just and the unjust are assembled in a common abode, as many Protestants have supposed; but,

That they dwell with Christ; they are with the Lord (πρὸς τὸν Κυρίον pros ton Kurion). They abide in his presence; they partake of his joy and his glory; they are permitted to sit with him in his throne; Rev 3:21.
The same idea the Saviour expressed to the dying thief, when he said, “today shalt thou be with me in paradise;” Luk 23:43.
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Post Eddie Robbins
I understand......but....if Christ didn’t go straight to Heaven when He died, how could the thief be with Him THAT day? This is the point. Acts-pert Poster
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Post Nature Boy Florida
Eddie Robbins wrote:
I understand......but....if Christ didn’t go straight to Heaven when He died, how could the thief be with Him THAT day? This is the point.


Where is paradise - to believer's BEFORE the resurrection?

Christ's statement is true if they both went to the same place.
In fact, until Christ is resurrected - I suspect they both followed the same path - to the same place.

Christ said God wouldn't leave his soul in SHEOL.

The only description of that place I know of in the old testament is the one regarding poor Lazarus - where everyone went - some were tormented - some were comforted - and a gulf was between the two groups.

I suspect Lazarus group was in the area known as paradise...and Jesus and the thief were some of the last folks that went there.

After Christ's resurrection - I don't believe believers went to that place - but then again...
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