Actscelerate.com

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **7/15/19 8:44 am**

Sorry... taking a few isolated interactions and casting those perspectives onto "many" people who share the same skin color. Is that better?

Still the same word.

skinnybishop

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1055 **7/15/19 9:17 am**

skinnybishop

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1055 **7/15/19 9:29 am**

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **7/15/19 9:36 am**

skinnybishop

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1055 **7/15/19 9:46 am**

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **7/15/19 9:49 am**

I suspect you've had these conversations with people who do condemn the actions unequivocally, while also noting that it's unwise to ignore the sociopolitical factors that contribute to events like this, and calling for those to be addressed as well.

Discussing the issue as something broader than "bad people do bad things" is not discounting the actions based on white privilege and the past history of slavery. Mentioning other factors does not mean people are muting their denunciations or are unwilling or afraid to call a spade a spade.

That's typically what I've seen -- as this is not my first time at this rodeo, nor my first time interacting with people white or black, friends or people I don't know, concerning these issues.

skinnybishop

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1055 **7/15/19 10:08 am**

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **7/15/19 10:21 am**

Sorry if you feel it's unfair. Just like you say you have interacted with "many" black people who have communicated the perspective you've described, I've communicated with "many" southern white gentlemen who sound just like yourself and all have one thing in common.

If you're the exception, then you do deserve an apology from me. But like you, I'm simply working off of the experiences I've had, and in my experience the folks who talk about this issue like you have all share one thing in common.

If that approach is good enough for black people, it should be good enough for you too.

Resident Skeptic

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **7/15/19 11:57 am**

Dave Dorsey

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **7/15/19 12:00 pm**

Thinking that all people groups should be regarded the same way (as individuals & worthy of receiving the same consideration of nuance and context) = PC nonsense?

Yup... there's a word for that!

Aaron Scott

What Racism IS...and what it is NOT....

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6032 **7/15/19 2:08 pm**

I don't think what Trump said to some women of color was racist at all. If they had come form ENGLAND, and were pure Anglo-Saxon, the sentiment could have been the same. Namely, he was saying, "Look, if you don't like our country, go back to where you came from." (And if they are American born, it seems to me that Trump is saying that the attitudes they have are similar to those who come from the country they trace from...and if they don't care for America, go back "home" and fix it first.)

I have to say that I'm not actually AT ALL in disagreement with this. If someone burns the American flag, but are 10th generation Americans, I would STILL invite them to go somewhere else--especially a country that hates America and its values--and see how much better they like it there.

As for these black youth, consider that some news reports will not even mention that, apparently, every single one of these young people were African American. You would think that might be something that could have been fairly included. But everyone has gotten so afraid of the R-word that they will stumble all over themselves to not even remotely say that the Emperor is naked.

Is there truth that a good many blacks would "justify"--at least to some degree--that actions of these youths. I think it's a fair take to say yes. Why? Because if they aren't outraged enough by it to speak out, then that at least tells you something (of course, that something might be that they fear retribution).

Many of us were livid when Palestinians cheered on 9-11. And we were also upset that it did not seem that the Muslim community was quite as upset as we were (which, to be fair, that may have been due to outright fear--just wanting to keep their heads down at such a volatile moment).

Just as truth can never be considered slander, neither can truth ever be racist. It may be CALLED racist in an attempt to shut it down, but it's not racist.

If we did a massive study and found, say, that African Americans had higher IQs than Native Americans, it would not be racist to point that out. It might have been wiser to just say nothing, but it's not racist.

It's not racist to say that blacks are better athletes, on average, than whites. It's just true--and the NFL, NBA, and, increasingly MLB show this to be the case. It is also not racist to say that whites DOMINATE the sport of curling.

What we do have to watch is making assumptions that that are not justified (e.g., MOST black people would say...." Well, maybe they would, but maybe they wouldn't).

Resident Skeptic

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **7/15/19 2:24 pm**

famousflavius

Society is crumbling

Golf Cart Mafia Soldier Posts: 2447 **7/15/19 2:29 pm**

Another argument for the mark of the beast is that it would cut down on this kind of crime. If all of these kids were chipped or marked they could not do this kind of thing and get away with it. Did a bus drop all of these little innocents off at the front door so they could run in an get some candy? That's a large group of children without adult supervision.

Resident Skeptic

Re: Society is crumbling

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **7/15/19 3:49 pm**

famousflavius

good question

Golf Cart Mafia Soldier Posts: 2447 **7/15/19 4:19 pm**

The days of people like David Wilkerson went out with tube socks and the hula hoop. Guaranteed 6 figure salary including health care, housing and body guards are required for anyone to consider that gig.

Cojak

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24277 **7/15/19 5:46 pm**

i am reading comments and replies, some make sense to me. some do not. All these approaches (or most) have to do with our region, age and up bringing. I learned about integration in the military. A few years before segregation was challenged down south.
I am not the first to say I look at race very different than I did when I was 17. I challenge anyone who says relations are no better now than in the 50s. THEY are 150% better from my eyes. Yes there was a stench in black nostrils for the way they were treated. Up until the 1960s a black person could not own property or rent in Valdese, NC. They could not be in town or the walk the streets after 6PM. I am sure that was not an isolated case. There were many other reasons a person of African blood could hold resentment. There was absolutely no mixed marriages nor inner racial dating.

THAT HAS CHANGED. there was a lot of rough roads until now, but my feelings are that we do accept each other much better. There are inner racial marriages and dating even in my family.

YES I watched that video. I did not see one white guy there. I don't think they should be sent to jail, it ain't worked well up to now. But I do think they should be held accountable sentenced to public service, classes etc.

I do not know the answers, I know Christ is the answer, but you cannot force salvation. Do other races do this? No, but the rich kids in fraternities and sororities do worse many times in their requirements to join. One could probably do a search and prove equally bad actions but in a different light.
I'm rambling but also am 'double-minded' about the problem.

you do not know EN1 Cornelius Rogers my next door neighbor in Cuba. I was visiting in his home and saw a record album on the shelf, "Uncle Remus".
"Hey Corn, I like that one."
"You wouldn't like that one Jack! The Tar Babies are different." WE were good friends but he would always be black and I would always be white. Our back ground very different.

Our children were different, they were raised in another world, more acceptance was apparent. Cool

_________________
Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
http://shipslog-jack.blogspot.com/