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 We heard the audible voice of God during a time of altar ministry today |
Dave Dorsey |
Yup, sure enough. A woman in the congregation came to the platform with her Bible and read Isaiah 55:1-9, and as she read, the audible voice of Almighty God rang out through the sanctuary. Every ear in the congregation was arrested and heard His voice; not one soul failed to hear His words.
If you are thinking I've done a bait and switch, or that what we experienced is somehow less than what you were expecting when you read my title, I think you should ask yourself why.
We are blessed above all people, to be able to open a book or pop open an app, and read aloud, and hear the audible voice of God speaking into our hearts, into our minds, and into our lives any time we want. The abundance of grace that God has shown us to be able to experience such a thing is simply staggering.
We heard the audible voice of God today. I suspect you did too, and when you did, I hope you reverenced it and received it with all of the honor and awe that such a thing demands of you.
The peace of Christ be with you! |
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1/7/18 1:28 pm
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| I don't know you Dave |
brotherjames |
So I can't judge your heart but you aren't funny, maybe a but sad but certainly lacking something somewhere.
An evangelist friend of mine Col. David Kithcart (used to be on the 700 club a lot in the eighties and no is with Jesus) once shared a story of an experience he had while in Vietnam during the war there in the early 70's or maybe late 60's , I forget which. Anyway he was on a bus in Saigon and while sitting there he heard an audible voice that said, "Dave, get off the bus". He knew no one
On the bus and after looking around, he dismissed it. The bus went on for a block or so and suddenly he heard a very loud and insistent voice that said, "Dave, I said get off the bus, now!" He looked around but saw no one who knew him or who was talking to him. He said it was a very loud voice and he was surprised no one heard it. He pulled the rope and the bus stopped. He got off and was still perplexed as the bus pulled away. Within 15 seconds of him getting off the bus there was an explosion and many on thed bus were killed. The vietcong had rigged 2 grenades eith some type of timer. If he had not listened to what he now realizes was the audible voice of God, he too would have died.
Mock it if you like. God still speaks. I've not heard it and Dave said he only heard it those 2 times but don't mock what you don't understand. Sad.
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1/7/18 3:17 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| Not trying to be funny, BJ, and my hope is that you would reflect deeply on why this post upset you. Blessings to you. |
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1/7/18 3:21 pm
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| Read the rest of it. |
brotherjames |
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Btw, didn't upset me just feel sorry for you.
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1/7/18 3:25 pm
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| Re: Read the rest of it. |
Dave Dorsey |
| brotherjames wrote: | | ...ðŸ¤ðŸ¤ðŸ¤ðŸ¤ðŸ˜¢ðŸ˜¢ðŸ˜¢ |
Yup, sure did, and I rejoice that your friend received such a warning. I don't doubt your story for a moment.
But if your friend has ever heard God's holy word read aloud, those aren't the only two times he heard God's audible voice. |
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1/7/18 3:28 pm
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| Oh I get that part |
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| You're very cute but you and I both know you are mocking the supernatural and also aren't expecting it either and I have generally found you get what you expect and preach. Be blessed. |
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1/7/18 3:30 pm
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| Re: Oh I get that part |
Dave Dorsey |
| brotherjames wrote: | | You're very cute but you and I both know you are mocking the supernatural and also aren't expecting it either and I have generally found you get what you expect and preach. Be blessed. |
Nope, BJ, surely am not.
The Apostle Peter heard God's audible voice on the mount of transfiguration. He writes in his second epistle that they heard the voice borne from heaven saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased." -- but went on to add, speaking of the Scriptures, "and we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation."
Think of it -- the very voice of God, booming from the heavens, and yet Peter writes of the Scriptures that they are the prophetic word more fully confirmed. That's what you have in your Bible, that's what you have on your smartphone. The prophetic voice of God more fully confirmed even than an audible boom on the mount of transfiguration.
That's supernatural. Your friend's experience was supernatural too, no doubt, and thank God for it. God is gracious and merciful. But take a moment to see the supernatural in the ordinary, every day reading of God's word. That's His voice, speaking from Heaven, the prophetic word more fully confirmed. If we give the reading of God's word less honor and deference than a supernatural display of His audible voice, it's only because we are missing how supernatural the Scriptures truly are. |
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1/7/18 3:35 pm
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Cojak |
BJ I think you got up on the wrong side of the bed. And once there cannot back track. ?That is sad.
Once reading DD's post I got exactly what he was saying. And it hit me. Do you believe that is the WORD of GOD?
THEN LISTEN, HE IS SPEAKING. Then you heard the word of God Audibly!
Thanks DD.
PS: We do tend to read the ?Bible as a regular book at times. It is good to be reminded. Ever notice who is listed as the Author of the Bible on Amazon?
I believe it is annon or Unknown. NOT GOD! We forget the actual author.
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| Not to worry, Dave, you struck a nerve in BJ's woffie-leanin worldview. The ole timer is the usual source of BJ's pro-woffie comments, glad to know I ain't the only one. |
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1/7/18 9:36 pm
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| Re: We heard the audible voice of God during a time of altar ministry today |
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| Dave Dorsey wrote: | Yup, sure enough. A woman in the congregation came to the platform with her Bible and read Isaiah 55:1-9, and as she read, the audible voice of Almighty God rang out through the sanctuary. Every ear in the congregation was arrested and heard His voice; not one soul failed to hear His words.
If you are thinking I've done a bait and switch, or that what we experienced is somehow less than what you were expecting when you read my title, I think you should ask yourself why. |
I know why. Because, unless you actually heard the audible voice of God you did not hear the audible voice of God. On Mt. Sinai, Israel heard God say what we call the 10 commandments. They asked Moses not to hear that again, and there is a passage of the Lord's reply about raising up a prophet. Hearing the audible voice of God is not the same thing as hearing through an intermediary, such as someone reading scripture.
Hearing someone reading the ten commandments is great. But Israelites at Sinai heard and audible voice.
If you redefine basic terms, your communication will be meaningless. If someone--Pentecostal or Charismatic especially-- says, "I heard the audible voice of God" they are being specific that they perceived the voices as sound in their ears as opposed to internal hearing, hearing someone read the scriptures and perceiving the Spirit bringing the words to life to them, etc.
Are you one of those guys who misuses the word 'literally', too?
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1/8/18 1:59 am
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| Re: Oh I get that part |
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| Dave Dorsey wrote: | He writes in his second epistle that they heard the voice borne from heaven saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased." -- but went on to add, speaking of the Scriptures, "and we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation."
Think of it -- the very voice of God, booming from the heavens, and yet Peter writes of the Scriptures that they are the prophetic word more fully confirmed. |
If he's saying the written scriptures are 'more fully confirmed' than the audible voice of God he heard, then he isn't saying hearing the scriptures read aloud are the audible voice of God.
Words have meaning, you know.
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1/8/18 2:05 am
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Dave Dorsey |
| Link, do you hold to plenary verbal inspiration? |
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1/8/18 8:40 am
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| The title reminds me ... |
Mat |
The title of the thread reminds me of sitting in "mainline" churches when the Lector's portion of the Litergy begins with the words, "listen for the Word of God as I read from ....".
There is no doubt that the spoken Word of God in public by one reading the scriptures is central to the Christian Faith. From time of Moses, to the times of restoration of Jerusalem, to the great sermons of the New Testament which contained so must scripture, and at the same time became scripture, the spoken Word in public is a Spiritual Dynamic that must never cease in the church.
Again this year my local church was allowed to have our Christmas banquet at the new Catholic dioceses meeting facility here in town (just down the street from my church). The Bishop's Chef and his waitstaff prepared the food and service us. At the beginning of the banquet I read Luke 2, the account of the birth of the Christ Child. Following the banquet, the chef, who is my neighbor and friend, said, we read the exact same scriptures this time of year.
I would suggest that the action of reading the scripture out loud is the same in most churches, but like the Ethiopian whom Phillip encountered, the gifts of understanding God's Word must involve more than just reading it out loud. The quasi-Jewish cult of Kabbaiah seems to teach that just gathering and hearing the Law read in Hebrew will increase your spirituality, even if you don't understand Hebrew.
So, yes, the reading of the Word of God in public gatherings is vital, but without the preaching and teaching of the Word directed by the Spirit, many will not understand, or will only listen for the words they like. The Law was read in the synagogues of Jesus time through out the Diaspora, yet as a people/nation, most misunderstood the nature of the Messiah.
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1/8/18 9:14 am
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Dave Dorsey |
Mat, I couldn't agree more. To those with a low view of Scripture, they are just words from a book. But for those who have ears to hear, they are the very words of Almighty God.
I love when a reading begins as you described. In my church, the pastor typically just says, "Hear God's word," before he begins reading. It is important that we always strive to hear Scripture for what it is -- the very words of God -- lest we fail to hear it as we should, and just hear it as someone reading from a book instead. |
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1/8/18 9:21 am
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| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | Link, do you hold to plenary verbal inspiration? |
I lean that away. I believe in inspiration down to the jot and tittle (or Greek equivalent) of the original.
A 'audible voice' refers to a sound in your ears. Listening to Bible reading is hearing through an intermediary, very important, but not the same thing that happened at Sinai.
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1/8/18 8:21 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| Link wrote: | | A 'audible voice' refers to a sound in your ears. Listening to Bible reading is hearing through an intermediary, very important, but not the same thing that happened at Sinai. |
You're right, Link. The Scriptures teach plainly that the written word is more fully confirmed than even God's voice booming from Heaven. They are not the same thing. |
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1/9/18 5:06 am
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| Seems like a good place for these verses. |
Mat |
Seems like a good place for these verses.
II Peter 1:16-21 (KJV)
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. |
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1/9/18 8:26 am
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Dave Dorsey |
| BTW, it was a prophetic word from God in our service on Sunday. During an unplanned time of altar ministry, a woman in the congregation believed God was directing her to read this passage. She spoke to an elder, who then spoke to the lead pastor, and then she came to the platform to declare God's word. It was a beautiful instance of God prophetically speaking to His people, and no one needed to attempt to discern through subjective feelings or impressions whether God was actually speaking. |
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1/9/18 8:54 am
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bonnie knox |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | Link wrote: | | A 'audible voice' refers to a sound in your ears. Listening to Bible reading is hearing through an intermediary, very important, but not the same thing that happened at Sinai. |
You're right, Link. The Scriptures teach plainly that the written word is more fully confirmed than even God's voice booming from Heaven. They are not the same thing. |
I'm not sure this is an accurate interpretation of the phrase "more sure word of prophecy."
As far as the title of the this thread, I am not at all surprised at the direction you took it. I noticed that in another thread you said something quite similar.
| Quote: | ....God speaks to me almost every day. A good percentage of the time, He speaks to me audibly. To my knowledge, I have never failed to hear Him. I have certainly failed to understand Him, and I have failed to obey Him. But every time God speaks to me, the message gets through. It doesn't disappear somewhere in the ether.
I "missed" Him for years as I engaged in neocharismatic error, but even then, it was not a failure to hear Him -- only a failure to understand Him, to obey Him, and to rightly divide and apply His words to my life.
As a matter of fact, I have an appointment to hear from God this afternoon. Yes, that's right, sometimes I know when God is going to speak to me in advance. I've got a couple of things to take care of here at my computer, and then I'm going to grab a glass of iced tea, head down to my study, and open His wonderful Word -- where I will hear His voice, clearly and directly. |
The word of God is completely reliable regardless of which form it comes in because it comes from God who cannot lie. It would be a mistake to minimize any of the ways God can speak to us. I heard someone teaching on Romans 8:28 and saying that rather than it meaning that any circumstance that comes down the pike is working for our good, the context of the chapter shows how the working of the Father, Son, and Spirit are all for our good.
I share Link's concern that the term audible is being misused, and I share brotherjames' concern that the working of the Holy Spirit within the believer is being minimized. |
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1/9/18 9:58 am
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Dave Dorsey |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | I'm not sure this is an accurate interpretation of the phrase "more sure word of prophecy." |
If you check some commentaries, I think you'll find this is the almost universal interpretation of historical Christianity. Peter's point here is to convey that the Scriptures are an external, objective standard for what God has said, and are as a result more authoritative and more sure than any individual's spiritual experiences, including his own, which included hearing God's voice audibly and seeing Moses and Elijah talking with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration.
| bonnie knox wrote: | | The word of God is completely reliable regardless of which form it comes in because it comes from God who cannot lie. |
This being the case, could you help me understand why it would not be appropriate for me to open to the back of Revelation and start writing, when someone gets up and says, "Thus saith the Lord..."  |
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