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| Re: Todd Bentley Back on Revival Circuit: East Texas Glory Revival Service (L) |
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Going to Pakistan in October.
Are you donating oldtimer?
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| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Going to Pakistan in October.
Are you donating oldtimer? |
I wouldn't donate a used handkerchief to such blatant error. |
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6/27/17 9:35 am
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FLRon |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Going to Pakistan in October.
Are you donating oldtimer? |
I wouldn't donate a used handkerchief to such blatant error. |
Unfortunately OT, he seems to have no problem finding a place to perform. People of his ilk seem to have a following somehow or another and as always,it's the gullible who seem to keep enabling them with their pocketbook. TB and his kind exist because people continue to support them.
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| FLRon wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Going to Pakistan in October.
Are you donating oldtimer? |
I wouldn't donate a used handkerchief to such blatant error. |
Unfortunately OT, he seems to have no problem finding a place to perform. People of his ilk seem to have a following somehow or another and as always,it's the gullible who seem to keep enabling them with their pocketbook. TB and his kind exist because people continue to support them. |
When some of the top leaders of the charismatic movement lay hands on him and anoint him then you have to question the entire movement. When Bill Johnson declares him "restored" and even offers "evidence" of the restoration being that his so-called wife is now manifesting the same "gifts" that his first wife did, then you know the movement is seriously in trouble. |
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FLRon |
| UncleJD wrote: | | FLRon wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Going to Pakistan in October.
Are you donating oldtimer? |
I wouldn't donate a used handkerchief to such blatant error. |
Unfortunately OT, he seems to have no problem finding a place to perform. People of his ilk seem to have a following somehow or another and as always,it's the gullible who seem to keep enabling them with their pocketbook. TB and his kind exist because people continue to support them. |
When some of the top leaders of the charismatic movement lay hands on him and anoint him then you have to question the entire movement. When Bill Johnson declares him "restored" and even offers "evidence" of the restoration being that his so-called wife is now manifesting the same "gifts" that his first wife did, then you know the movement is seriously in trouble. |
Excellent post. People like TB and the NAR movement are why I like to say I'm a non Charismatic Pentecostal. I want no association with them.
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| FLRon wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | FLRon wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Going to Pakistan in October.
Are you donating oldtimer? |
I wouldn't donate a used handkerchief to such blatant error. |
Unfortunately OT, he seems to have no problem finding a place to perform. People of his ilk seem to have a following somehow or another and as always,it's the gullible who seem to keep enabling them with their pocketbook. TB and his kind exist because people continue to support them. |
When some of the top leaders of the charismatic movement lay hands on him and anoint him then you have to question the entire movement. When Bill Johnson declares him "restored" and even offers "evidence" of the restoration being that his so-called wife is now manifesting the same "gifts" that his first wife did, then you know the movement is seriously in trouble. |
Excellent post. People like TB and the NAR movement are why I like to say I'm a non Charismatic Pentecostal. I want no association with them. |
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| UncleJD wrote: | | When Bill Johnson declares him "restored" and even offers "evidence" of the restoration being that his so-called wife is now manifesting the same "gifts" that his first wife did, then you know the movement is seriously in trouble. |
Bill Johnson is a fruit loop, right air with Ricky Joyner, Paul Cain, an all em other self proclaimed apostles. |
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| What you're saying about Bill Johnson |
brotherjames |
| Is just wrong and you seriously need to stop it. I know he missed with Todd but he wasn't the only one but he is definitely not a fruit loop. And you ought to be a bit more cautious about labeling good men in a pejorative manner just because you disagree with them. Hank Hannegraph thinks you are a fruit loop too. |
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| Re: What you're saying about Bill Johnson |
Old Time Country Preacher |
| brotherjames wrote: | | Is just wrong and you seriously need to stop it. I know he missed with Todd but he wasn't the only one but he is definitely not a fruit loop. And you ought to be a bit more cautious about labeling good men in a pejorative manner just because you disagree with them. Hank Hannegraph thinks you are a fruit loop too. |
BJ, do you truly think Bill Johnson is an apostle/prophet of God? |
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7/4/17 12:19 am
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| Well, I do believe |
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| That there is a five fold ministry today. That said, whe there Bill is an Apostle or a Prophet may be up for discussion. He doesn't label himself and I wont. Does he operate in Apostolic ways and is he Prophetic? Yes. Paul said in 2 cor that the SIGNS of an Apostle were in his ministry. He said that miravles, signs and wonders along with evangelism, pastoral roles, ordain in elders, planting churches, teaching and probably all 9 gifts of the Spirit were in his ministry. I would say your General Overseer and others of similar ilk probably operate apostolically as well. |
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7/4/17 2:23 pm
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| Bill Johnson: this is a prophet/apostle? |
FLRon |
I really don't like getting involved in these types of threads, but when serious doctrinal error is being passed off as Truth, I just have to jump in here.
Bill Johnson teaches that when Jesus came to earth that he set aside his divinity. This is sometimes called Kenosis, and teaches that Jesus was no longer divine from birth to His ascension. Are we to believe that Jesus became just another man? Sorry, but if Jesus was not divine,or perfect, how could he have been the sacrificial lamb?
Bill also teaches that Jesus was born again in the resurrection. This is the same nonsense taught by Copeland and J. Meyer.
He also heavily involved in teaching WOF.
I don't know Bill Johnson, but I have researched and read some of his writings because I like to stay abreast of what's being taught out there. From what I have learned I know that I want nothing to do with Bethel, and I encourage everyone to do their own research and come to their own conclusions.
Far from recognizing him as a prophet/apostle I would classify him as a false teacher to be avoided. Of course, you may see him in a different light.
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| Re: Bill Johnson: this is a prophet/apostle? |
Old Time Country Preacher |
| FLRon wrote: | I really don't like getting involved in these types of threads, but when serious doctrinal error is being passed off as Truth, I just have to jump in here.
Bill Johnson teaches that when Jesus came to earth that he set aside his divinity. This is sometimes called Kenosis, and teaches that Jesus was no longer divine from birth to His ascension. Are we to believe that Jesus became just another man? Sorry, but if Jesus was not divine,or perfect, how could he have been the sacrificial lamb?
Bill also teaches that Jesus was born again in the resurrection. This is the same nonsense taught by Copeland and J. Meyer.
He also heavily involved in teaching WOF.
I don't know Bill Johnson, but I have researched and read some of his writings because I like to stay abreast of what's being taught out there. From what I have learned I know that I want nothing to do with Bethel, and I encourage everyone to do their own research and come to their own conclusions.
Far from recognizing him as a prophet/apostle I would classify him as a false teacher to be avoided. Of course, you may see him in a different light. |
Your assessment, Ron, is spot on. |
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7/4/17 10:05 pm
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| I don't know where you have read that |
brotherjames |
To my knowledge, Bill doesn't teach that. I have read some of his books, know him personally and know people that minister with him. He doesn't teach kenosis. What he teaches and what I also teach is that Jesus laid aside His Glory but NEVER His divinity. Where the misunderstanding comes from is that while Jesus was always God, He did not do His Miracles as God. He did them as a man who was FILLED with the Spirit of God. If He did them as man then it is impossible for us to do what He did but He tells us that WE will do GREATER works than He did when WE have received the Spirit ourselves. That is what He teaches, that is pretty classical Pentecostalism as far as I am concerned. Your assertion of Bill as a false prophet is based on mis-characterizing his teachings as far as I can tell.
Now you can disagree with some of his assertions and beliefs regarding WOF (some of which he does teach but not the prosperity stuff), that's fair but the rank name calling is just wrong. |
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7/5/17 9:33 am
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bonnie knox |
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Nature Boy Florida |
Bonnie,
No dementia for you.
You remember everything.
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Quiet Wyatt |
| I haven't read or heard precisely what Johnson teaches with regard to kenosis. But, for what it's worth, kenotic doctrine, in and of itself, does not teach that Jesus laid aside His deity. Several WoFers like Copeland take kenosis ridiculously far, and say many absurd and blasphemous things related to the basically true doctrine that Jesus voluntarily limited Himself in becoming incarnate, but in any case, kenosis itself is simply an affirmation of the humanity of Christ, and that He did the works he did by the power of the Spirit. |
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bonnie knox |
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| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Bonnie,
No dementia for you.
You remember everything. |
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brotherjames |
| Just have waaaay too much time on their hands methinks and offer little to the discussion. |
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