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Swaggart/AG reconciliation rumors |
Resident Skeptic |
As was noted in another thread, rumors abound of a possible reconciliation between the Assemblies of God and Tele-Evangelist Jimmy Swaggart. We are following this story and will be providing up to the minute, breaking information as it happens, and as we are given the liberty to share details.
Please stay tuned to Actcelerate. _________________ "It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves UPCI |
Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 6/22/17 6:15 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
That would be interesting, if true. It is difficult to imagine, after all that's been said and done, that he would be interested, or that the AG would welcome him back. What advantage would there be for JSM at this point? Would the AG just declare him absolved? I do know that the AG used to require anyone who refused their restoration program, if they decided later that they wanted get their AG credentials back, they would be required to go through the restoration program first. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12784 6/22/17 8:35 pm
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FLRon |
Quiet Wyatt wrote: | That would be interesting, if true. It is difficult to imagine, after all that's been said and done, that he would be interested, or that the AG would welcome him back. What advantage would there be for JSM at this point? Would the AG just declare him absolved? I do know that the AG used to require anyone who refused their restoration program, if they decided later that they wanted get their AG credentials back, they would be required to go through the restoration program first. |
Sorry, but if there is even a hint of truth to this, it just reinforces my opinion that the AG isn't what it used to be. And lest I run afoul of anyone who thinks this merger would be a good thing, I will bow out now. _________________ “Hell will be filled with people that didn’t cuss, didn’t drink, and may even have been baptized. Why? Because none of those things makes someone a Christian.”
Voddie Baucham |
Acts-celerater Posts: 758 6/22/17 9:08 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
Hint of truth to what I said, or hint of the truth to what Resident Skeptic said? |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12784 6/22/17 9:11 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
You mean Swaggart would join an apostate denomination, given to all kinds of non-biblical and backslidden practices? That's how Jimmy and Donnie depict the AG. |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15559 6/22/17 10:12 pm
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I called some leadership |
brotherjames |
Today. If this story is true, no one is aware of it nor have they heard any rumors of of it. These are people in "middle mgmt" in Springfield. Of course, it might be a closely held secret but they haven't heard about anything like this. Jimmy severed all ties and was unwilling to go thru our restoration processes. He also sent a book to EVERY AG pastor entitled To Obey God rather than Man. Technically it was sent by a surrogate but he did it.
Could he recant and be contrite, could we repair the breach? Of course. Is it likely? Doubtful. We shall see. |
Acts-celerater Posts: 935 6/23/17 7:05 am
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Judah4Him |
I have a friend on the Exec Presbytery and a friend on staff at FWC. they've both confirmed this to be true and Swaggart has made an announcement at least to his top aides and George Wood made this known in most recent EP meeting. |
Friendly Face Posts: 468 6/23/17 5:42 pm
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Dean Steenburgh |
He has apparently shown for over 20 years that he has not went back to that lifestyle of the flesh.
Could he be in a position where he wants the former days to be forgiven & to submit himself to a denomination? Possibly!
Does he need to go thru the reconciliation process? I think he has suffered plenty over the years knowing what all he has lost.
Maybe his family has urged him to make things right ...maybe a doctor has told him to get his house in order.
Do we somehow benefit by taking a guy who sinned (like as if we don't) & make him re-hash his sins so that we can say 24 months later, "OK, now you are ready to minister again?"
It's one thing to be forgiven by God but it's a total different thing to be forgiven by man.
Not one ounce of me is condoning what happened but folks it was 30 years ago & I don't think his grave marker will read, "Here lies Jimmy Swaggart, Liar, Cheater, Swindler, Adulterer, Drinker, Pornographer, Minister"
We've had guys come back.
We've had guys shown special privileges.
Will I watch his program & financially support him? Most likely not!
I think his son has a few lessons yet to be learned.
Res & I had a close connection to the family at one point years ago & I think we'll hear confirmation from Res one way or another pretty soon.
. _________________ "Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!"
Email me at: SteenburghDean@gmail.com
Church planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!
What are you focused on? |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 6/23/17 6:35 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
I am not saying he could not possibly be forgiven and restored. At the very least, one would think he would need to publicly apologize for the things he has said against the AG since he refused their offer of restoration in 1988. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12784 6/23/17 6:53 pm
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Da Sheik |
He does not appear to me as someone broken and humble and ready to celebrate the grace of God extended to him. Instead, I see an angry and bitter person who is critical of so many in the body of Christ. Reminds me of King David right before Nathan the prophet said "you are the man!" |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1860 6/23/17 6:57 pm
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FLRon |
Quiet Wyatt wrote: | Hint of truth to what I said, or hint of the truth to what Resident Skeptic said? |
Hint of truth of this actually happening. _________________ “Hell will be filled with people that didn’t cuss, didn’t drink, and may even have been baptized. Why? Because none of those things makes someone a Christian.”
Voddie Baucham |
Acts-celerater Posts: 758 6/23/17 8:27 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
Dean Steenburgh wrote: | I don't think his grave marker will read, "Here lies Jimmy Swaggart, Liar, Cheater, Swindler, Adulterer, Drinker, Pornographer, Minister" |
If it did, they'd probly be a lot a "grave sucking" going on, but it would be by sinners, not Christians. |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15559 6/23/17 9:14 pm
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Nature Boy Florida |
AG gains nothing by letting Swaggart back in.
Not gonna happen. That ship has sailed. _________________ Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because its the best thing going today! |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16599 6/24/17 6:57 am
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Could the college benefit from Family Worship Center, if they still call it that, being A/G? I could see that. They could draw from a pool of A/G faculty, maybe. It must be hard to get Bible College faculty if you are independent and have a reputation for being against other Pentecostals.
But I don't see what the A/G would get out of it, especially with some of the comments Swaggart has made. _________________ Link |
Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11845 6/24/17 8:58 am
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Judah4Him |
AG World Missions stands to receive many thousands of dollars... Jimmy used to be one of, if not, the largest contributors to the missions program which is the heartbeat of the AG. |
Friendly Face Posts: 468 6/25/17 10:12 pm
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FLRon |
Judah4Him wrote: | AG World Missions stands to receive many thousands of dollars... Jimmy used to be one of, if not, the largest contributors to the missions program which is the heartbeat of the AG. |
I would hope that the AG leadership would be above prostituting themselves in such a manner as this. They don't need money from JSM or any of his ilk to support their missions programs. Of course, they wouldn't be the first to turn a blind eye in order to stuff their coffers, nor will they be the last. _________________ “Hell will be filled with people that didn’t cuss, didn’t drink, and may even have been baptized. Why? Because none of those things makes someone a Christian.”
Voddie Baucham |
Acts-celerater Posts: 758 6/26/17 9:39 am
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Dean Steenburgh |
FLRon wrote: | Judah4Him wrote: | AG World Missions stands to receive many thousands of dollars... Jimmy used to be one of, if not, the largest contributors to the missions program which is the heartbeat of the AG. |
I would hope that the AG leadership would be above prostituting themselves in such a manner as this. They don't need money from JSM or any of his ilk to support their missions programs. Of course, they wouldn't be the first to turn a blind eye in order to stuff their coffers, nor will they be the last. |
FLRon, who are the 'ilks' you are referring to that are connected to JS?
I left the A/G in 2000 to pastor this CoG in Modesto but I still have a lot of A/G friends & missionaries, in fact we have one coming to do a presentation on July 9th. I've never heard of the A/G missionaries having too much money so unless it comes from filthy lucre or of the such I don't think it would be a bad thing to receive funds from JSM if everything was done properly in order.
For the record I agree with my former A/G brother, QW, when it comes to the possibility of JS coming back to the A/G. I would hope that it happens with a heart felt apology & that he would recant all negative things he has said or implied about this wonderful denomination.
. _________________ "Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!"
Email me at: SteenburghDean@gmail.com
Church planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!
What are you focused on? |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 6/26/17 7:45 pm
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Swaggart/A/G |
BishopsWife |
I have been told that George Wood flew to Baton Rouge to meet with JSM and it is the A/G that is initiating the "reconciliation". The reinstatement is in progress. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1814 6/29/17 3:18 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
I'm hearing from a very credible source that it is true, Wood initiated the reconciliation, and that the rehabilitation requirement is being waived since the failure was over 7 years ago. Interesting, to say the least. My guess is that Jimmy wants his church and Bible college to have a more stable future with the denominational connection than it would have as essentially a family-run business. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12784 6/29/17 5:43 pm
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Resident Skeptic |
Quiet Wyatt wrote: | I'm hearing from a very credible source that it is true, Wood initiated the reconciliation, and that the rehabilitation requirement is being waived since the failure was over 7 years ago. Interesting, to say the least. My guess is that Jimmy wants his church and Bible college to have a more stable future with the denominational connection than it would have as essentially a family-run business. |
I do not see the problem here. Gabriel Swaggart is the future there anyway. He was only 7 when Jimmy was defrocked. Donnie resigned from ther AG in good standing, but his multiple marriages might be a problem for him getting relicensed, though he did remarry his first wife in the end.
May be now I can feel good about rebuilding the college so many of us worked so hard to make a success. I was only 22 when it all crashed, and it has haunted me ever since. _________________ "It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves UPCI |
Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 6/29/17 6:24 pm
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