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bonnie knox |
Btw, here is a link to the interview I mentioned earlier. It's a long interview, so I'm not necessarily recommending it--just throwing it out there if anyone is interested. (Also, I don't know if this is just because it's a different part of the country, but they are comfortable using words for excrement that we don't use on Acts.)
https://soundcloud.com/pastor-with-no-answers/81-part-2-mars-hill-speaks-w-tricia-wilkerson |
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6/1/17 5:04 pm
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| bonnie knox wrote: | If that was the first time I had ever heard that, I might think it was clever. Alas and alack, it's just more eisegesis and foolishness.
You allow that they can be deacons, yet the same reasoning you use to claim women can't be bishops could be used to say they can't be deacons.
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| Charles Page wrote: | | Yes, the Bible prohibits women from being an elder or Bishop. She can be an elder when she can be the husband of one wife. |
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There are requirements for deacons and also 'for their women.' There is no provision for women elders in these passages.
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6/1/17 8:37 pm
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| The point, Link, is that if you say the phrase "husband of one wife" means a bishop must be a man, you would have to say that it means the same for deacon. |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | The point, Link, is that if you say the phrase "husband of one wife" means a bishop must be a man, you would have to say that it means the same for deacon. |
It does, but it does not mean that for 'their women.'
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Link, you are not proving that woman are prohibited from being bishops by saying that. You are only proving that the phrase "husband of one wife" does not automatically exclude women.
| Link wrote: | | bonnie knox wrote: | | The point, Link, is that if you say the phrase "husband of one wife" means a bishop must be a man, you would have to say that it means the same for deacon. |
It does, but it does not mean that for 'their women.' |
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A woman who is a deacon needs to be the wife of one husband, same for evangelist and prophet. I take that to mean a woman cannot be a divorcee and hold an office. She can't be married to more than one man.
That fits in the context of elders and bishops being the husband of one wife.
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If a man's wife cheated on him, they divorced, and he remarried, is he married to more than one woman? Let's say the ex-wife then dies of cancer. Is he eligible to be an elder just because his ex-wife died of cancer?
(Of course, all that's a nice diversion from the point that the phrase "husband of one wife" does not automatically exclude women as we have shown from the phrase also being applied to deacons.) |
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If he remarries while his wife is still living he is ineligible to be an elder/bishop. also if he marries a woman who has divorced and her husband is still living he is ineligible.
a rule for membership in the church is that if a divorce occured because of infidelity of the spouse then they are eligible for membership.
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OK, let's just got to the core issue here.
How many "new seasons" can a person have before it disqualifies em fer ministry? 1? 5? 10? |
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| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | OK, let's just got to the core issue here.
How many "new seasons" can a person have before it disqualifies em fer ministry? 1? 5? 10? |
I do think it might depend on the circumstances, Ole Timer. I do not believe that a divorced person is automatically disqualified to be a pastor or elder or deacon just because he or she has been divorced. I think Paul was setting guidelines that required faithfulness in marriage, but given other parts of scripture, it doesn't seem to me that a person who has been cheated on and divorced or divorced against his or her will is automatically disqualified for leadership in church. |
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| Charles Page wrote: | If he remarries while his wife is still living he is ineligible to be an elder/bishop. also if he marries a woman who has divorced and her husband is still living he is ineligible.
a rule for membership in the church is that if a divorce occured because of infidelity of the spouse then they are eligible for membership. |
Suppose he does remarry while his ex is still alive, What is the penalty for doing this? |
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It will be 10 or 15 years till she could expect to be general overseer
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