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Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4750 **5/17/17 8:23 am**

No Charles YOU do if you keep attacking Pastors on here! Stop it you know better.

Charles Page

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/17/17 8:27 am**

there's a sweet, sweet spirit in this place...
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PastorJackson

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4750 **5/17/17 8:35 am**

You bring it, think about it Charles. Don't really know what you are trying to do.

Dean Steenburgh

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 **5/18/17 8:19 pm**

Dean Steenburgh

Not a single response

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 **5/19/17 1:18 pm**

Old Time Country Preacher

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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15565 **5/19/17 1:50 pm**

brotherjames

Actually OT you are in error

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **5/20/17 11:42 am**

your exegesis is faulty. No where in any account of the demoniac/s does it indicate he/they repented prior to receiving Christ. In fact the story only alludes to the fact he became a follower of Christ AFTER he was delivered by the power of the authority of the One who commanded the demons to leave. All Jesus said was go, and the demons had to obey as Greater was He that commanded than those who had possession of the man. The lesser is always subject to the greater. It is assumed that sometime after the deliverance the man was cleaned up, clothed and became a follower. But no specifics are given to that, ergo you cannot make the statements you made in your previous post. They are NOT categorically correct. Just sayin'.

Charles Page

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/20/17 12:06 pm**

IMHO a sanctified person is not open to "demon possession" but an unsanctified person is left in the open.
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brotherjames

Charles

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **5/20/17 12:20 pm**

every believer is sanctified at salvation. Saying they are not open to demonization or possession after becoming sanctified indicates they have no free will and/or cannot sin after sanctification. I don't believe in that, you might but sanctification as a second work of grace is unscriptural IMHO. We are instanteously sanctified at salvation (set apart as Christ's) and progressively sanctified throughout our lives if we stay in Christ.

Charles Page

sanctification as a second work of grace is unscriptural

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/20/17 12:27 pm**

There are pentecostals who believe that sanctification is not subsequent to the new birth. AOG hold this view and the COG will have to change their Declaration of Faith to hold that view.

Will the COG make that change? It will be difficult. Most will be content to spin the Declaration of Faith to make it mean whatever they want.
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diakoneo

Re: sanctification as a second work of grace is unscriptural

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **5/20/17 1:08 pm**

Charles Page

So what do you believe???

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/20/17 1:21 pm**

sanctification subsequent to the new birth as taught to me in my youth.
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Dean Steenburgh

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Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 **5/20/17 3:13 pm**

Charles Page

this will make most of you angry - lose the fear

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/20/17 4:52 pm**

My earliest recollection of exorcism was in a Tennessee camp meeting with T. L. Lowery the afternoon/evening speaker on a Sunday. There was standing room only and I was a young kid standing around waiting for the snack stand to open.

Bro Lowery was attempting to cast out a demon and he warned everyone that when the "demon" leaves it will be seeking for someone to possess.

At that moment I knew then that it wasn't real (didn't mean I disbelieved in demons) but that Lowery was only working the crowd up to fear. The phrase he used stuck with me "I've seen this before and believe me it is real"

There was no discernment just an experiential base, "I've seen this before"
It was a scare tactic. All I have seen of christian exorcisms have been scare tactics and experiential sensory discernment.
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brotherjames

you might want to read my previous post scroll up

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **5/20/17 5:37 pm**

I have seen the fake, i mentioned it about the deliverance ministries of the 80's casting out nothing, vomiting demons into paper bags and the whole 9 yards. That stuff would make me vomit too. But, with all that said, I can assure you that demons are real, I have been on the front lines of casting out demons, healing and all the rest of Mark 16 over the past 25-30 years.

Come with me to Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Columbia, Costa Rica, Panama, Mexico, Ecuador, Panama, Belize, Uganda, Kenya, S Africa, Nigeria, Serbia and a few other places I have been and I will be happy to prove to you the enemy of your soul manifesting powerfully in the bodies and minds of lost people. But I can testify, that Greater is HE who is in me, than He that is in those people. The power of the Holy Spirit, the 3rd person of the Trinity in me has never been defeated. THe Name and Blood of Jesus used in the authority of a Spirit filled believer always wins. Can't speak for Lowery but don't let 1 instance of "fakery" negate the Truth and power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Charles Page

Amen

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/20/17 6:07 pm**

I testify, that Greater is HE who is in me, than He that is in the world. The power of the Holy Spirit, the 3rd person of the Trinity in me has never been defeated. The Name and Blood of Jesus used in the authority of a Spirit filled believer always wins.
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Dean Steenburgh

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 **5/20/17 6:12 pm**

With true appreciation I am grateful for those who believe that demon possession is real & it happens today.
I'm grateful for the kind words of support & for taking the risk to say that you accept what had happened ...recently there have been awesome results of healing from the incident I originally posted.
For those who use it to make money or to conjure up their own theology, it's up to them to defend their own beliefs.
For those who simply don't believe & your own dis-belief is founded on book studies, I invite you to walk the real streets & give up your velvet pillow-top.
And for those of you who conduct ministry to people & you have no power in your life to defend those who are spiritually bound, we can only hope you don't run into the very thing you so eagerly doubt.
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