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COG Ministerial Monthly Report: How Do You Determine How Many Have Been Sanctified?

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/4/17 3:00 pm**

Where in the Bible does it teach that a sinner is saved (converted; new birth), then is to "seek for a second definite experience known as sanctification," which, when it happens, one is instantly and entirely, one-time done deal, sanctified, and the preacher can then check the "sanctified" box on his ministerial report?

How does one determine the number to place in the "sanctified" box?

Is it the exact number who were saved, like:
3 Saved
3 Sanctified?

Or, does one wait until persons receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit, like:

3 Sanctified
3 Holy Spirit?

Please provide biblical references that delineate sanctification as a separate, distinct, stand-alone, crisis, experience, where one could place a number in the "sanctified" box only, having no connection with saved or Holy Spirit?

Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **4/4/17 4:44 pm**

Oldtimer - your district overseer and/or state overseer has the responsibility to make sure you know how to fill out the monthly reports correctly.

Please contact either of them.

No need to clog up the board with posts of a personal nature like this.
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Cojak

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Charles Page

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **4/4/17 5:04 pm**

if you can't fill out a report you need to seek another denomination that teaches progressive sanctification from the new birth. Or just keep up the hypocrisy till the DOF is modified.
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Quiet Wyatt

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/4/17 6:07 pm**

From what I've read and heard, the CoG DoF was intentionally worded ambiguously in an attempt to allow for both Wesleyan and progressive views of sanctification. If only the word "entire" were added prior to the word, "sanctification," it would be more clearly Wesleyan, and, would even still fit those with more Reformed or progressive views, since all Christians affirm that the believer will eventually be entirely sanctified, even if not until Heaven. But at least it would not leave anyone with the impression that there is any true Christian who is not sanctified, nor that without holiness someone may see God, which is what the present statement plainly implies.

Aaron Scott

I am surprised that you do not know, OTCP

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **4/4/17 6:55 pm**

As VIRTUALLY EVERYONE ELSE knows, the number filled with the Holy Ghost is a function of the number that were saved (in the 60s, a revival saw about 60% or more that got saved receive the baptism).

Water baptism? About .84 of those saved PLUS a few who felt the need to get baptized again.

On the other hand, to find the number of people who actually can be reported as sanctified in our churches, you simply multiply the number who have received the Holy Ghost by .930....

Of course, NOWADAYS, you have to get into standard deviations and calculus and all, so we just "ballpark it" by asking ourselves, "What would Ray H. Hughes do?"

Old Time Country Preacher

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/4/17 7:07 pm**

Please, brethren, I beseech thee, I ask not what Wesley, Spurling or Tomlinson said/thought/believed, nor do I seek denominational creedal statements.

Please direct my attention to ONE verse in the Bible where a saved person, converted from death to life, washed in the blood of Jesus, changed by the power of God, at some subsequent time/place/moment, prayed to be sanctified, and experienced a second (subsequent to salvation) definite work of grace called sanctification.

Charles Page

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **4/4/17 8:25 pm**

every mention of salvation in the book of acts is an act of sanctification subsequent to the new birth. Just pick a narrative in which someone is getting saved and it is a second work of grace, immediate, entire, instantaneous and subsequent to the new birth.
Pick a narrative and you have the chapter and verse.

Now the real dilemma is to pick a chapter and verse that narrates a work of regeneration or going down to the altar to be born again. You won't find it.

The Lord always precedes in working where the soul winner goes. This is why the COG past preachers preached about sanctification and the altars would be filled with seekers.

We should feel more at ease reporting the sanctifications rather than the new births. We can't report to blowing wind but we can report the firm foundations laid.
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Old Time Country Preacher

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/4/17 8:28 pm**

Cojak

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Old Time Country Preacher

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JLarry

Acts Mod Posts: 3346 **4/5/17 8:20 am**

I count those saved in the sanctified column.

Sanctify = Set apart.
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sheepdogandy

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7307 **4/5/17 8:42 am**

There is not one verse in the Bible where a regenerated person prays for a sanctifying experience as taught by many Church of God ministers.

No reason for the question on a report.

OTCP is right.

Sanctification definitely occurs at regeneration and continues to be experienced by the believer until death.
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Nature Boy Florida

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **4/5/17 9:27 am**

brotherjames

OTCP,I knew you were really AG

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **4/5/17 9:44 am**

You might want to reconsider your affiliation with the CoG as your theology more clearly aligns with our beliefs of instantaneous and progressive sanctification. All believers are sanctified immediately upon believing in Christ and are in the daily process of being conformed to the image of Christ until we reach Heaven.

What is the Assemblies of God belief about sanctification, and how does it differ from other churches?
The basic idea of sanctification is that of separation or setting apart. In the Bible the words sanctification and holiness are interchangeable. At the time a person receives Christ, he is sanctified (1 Corinthians 1:30; 6:11), which means he has been separated from his past life of sin and is now dedicated to God. From Scripture we find that the Holy Spirit is the One who sanctifies (2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 1 Peter 1:2).

We believe the Bible is clear in teaching that Christians should continue living a life separated from sin and dedicated to God because, as the apostle Paul tells us, this is His will for them (2 Corinthians 7:1; 1 Thessalonians 4:3). We call this the progressive aspect of sanctification. The Scriptures speak of it in a variety of ways, such as growing in grace (2 Peter 3:14) and being gradually transformed spiritually (2 Corinthians 3:18).

The purpose of the sanctification process is that believers might become more and more like the Lord Jesus Christ. Even though Christians may not attain absolute perfection in this life, they are expected to make every effort to live a holy life, because "without holiness no one will see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).

Some churches teach that sanctification is a one-time experience that takes place after a person has become a Christian, at which time he is made perfect. The Assemblies of God teaches that sanctification takes place at the moment of salvation and then progresses as the believer continues to submit to the control of the Holy Spirit.

Article 5 Tenets of Faith
Section 9 of the Constitution of the General Council of the Assemblies of God
9. Sanctification
Sanctification is an act of separation from that which is evil, and of dedication unto God (Romans 12:1,2; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; Hebrews 13:12). Scriptures teach a life of ï¿½holiness without which no man shall see the Lordï¿½ (Hebrews 12:14). By the power of the Holy Spirit we are able to obey the command: ï¿½Be ye holy, for I am holyï¿½ (1 Peter 1:15,16). Sanctification is realized in the believer by recognizing his identification with Christ in His death and resurrection, and by faith reckoning daily upon the fact of that union, and
by offering every faculty continually to the dominion of the Holy Spirit (Romans 6:1ï¿½11,13; 8:1,2,13; Galatians 2:20; Philippians 2:12,13; 1 Peter 1:5)

bonnie knox

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **4/5/17 11:54 am**

So is Ole Timer a deep dark doubting cessationist and also AoG?

Old Time Country Preacher

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/5/17 12:01 pm**

Da Sheik

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1865 **4/5/17 1:02 pm**

There are several items in our DOF that need to be reworded. This being one of them. I leave that particular item blank in my report each month. I figure as long as I report on my marriage and my money I'll be just fine.

Old Time Country Preacher

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/5/17 1:53 pm**

brotherjames

Well Bonnie

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **4/5/17 2:21 pm**

I'll play. If OTCP is a WOD (Word of Doubt) he would be in good company in the AG (we don't use the o - AG not AoG), just sayin'.