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Post sanctification Charles Page
Anyone believe in sanctification subsequent to the new birth, through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ?
If not what do you believe about sanctification?
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Post OTCP Charles Page
To what denomination do you belong?
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I affirm entire sanctification subsequent to regeneration, with initial sanctification commencing with regeneration, as John Wesley taught it. To my mind, the CoG DoF unfortunately left the crucial term out of the description, "entire," thus leading folks to believe one could be born again but not yet sanctified, which is quite obviously unscriptural. [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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so does this mean entire sanctification is scriptural? John Wesley may have believed that but I don't.

Were the early COG people in error to testify that they were saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost?

I know that Keswick Theology would hold to an entire sanctification as well as moderate Calvinist.
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Yes, John Wesley was definitely quite emphatically scriptural in his exposition of entire sanctification. In fact, it was also called "scriptural holiness." [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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Post John Wesley was definitely quite emphatically scriptural Charles Page
aren't we all?
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I Thessalonians 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Would anyone say that Paul thought it was normal for born again believers to fornicate, and that he was wanting his readers to experience a one-time crisis experience of sanctification that just happened to them, or didn't, when they prayed, otherwise they'd end up fornicating?

Is it normative for believers to fornicate?
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I Thessalonians 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

Would anyone say that Paul thought it was normal for born again believers to fornicate, and that he was wanting his readers to experience a one-time crisis experience of sanctification that just happened to them, or didn't, when they prayed, otherwise they'd end up fornicating?

Is it normative for believers to fornicate?


Here is how Wesley himself dealt with the issue of sinfulness remaining in believers:

"V. 1. The sum of all is this: There are in every person, even after he is justified, two contrary principles, nature and grace, termed by St. Paul the flesh and the Spirit. Hence, although even babes in Christ are sanctified, yet it is only in part. In a degree, according to the measure of their faith, they are spiritual; yet, in a degree they are carnal. Accordingly, believers are continually exhorted to watch against the flesh, as well as the world and the devil. And to this agrees the constant experience of the children of God. While they feel this witness in themselves, they feel a will not wholly resigned to the will of God. They know they are in him; and yet find an heart ready to depart from him, a proneness to evil in many instances, and a backwardness to that which is good." http://wesley.nnu.edu/john-wesley/the-sermons-of-john-wesley-1872-edition/sermon-13-on-sin-in-believers/		 [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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It is important to note that Wesley also taught that even babes in Christ are able to resist temptation by the grace of God, and that entire sanctification had to do with the inner man of the heart being set free by God's gracious power to love God with ALL his heart, soul, mind amd strength, and to love his neighbor as himself. Entire sanctification, as Wesley taught it, was not really an eradication of the sinful nature as such, but was instead the result of the entire personality being set free from not just outward acts of sin, but of inward sins as well, sins residing in the heart, mind, and spirit. [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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Wesley never taught a second work of grace or a work subsequent to the new birth just entire sanctification?
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Charles Page wrote:
Wesley never taught a second work of grace or a work subsequent to the new birth just entire sanctification?


Wesley taught entire sanctification as a goal for the Christian life to be earnestly sought by faith by all believers, that entire sanctification would occur for the faithful Christian at least in the hour of one's physical death, but possibly earlier than that for the earnest believer. He taught that entire sanctification was not received in the same moment as justification, but was necessarily subsequent to the new birth. He did say the work of sanctification was progressive from the new birth onwards, with entire sanctification being necessarily instantaneous, just as one may be dying for a long while, but death itself finally comes in an instant.

For anyone who may be interested, Wesley's actual teaching on Christian Perfection/Entire Sanctification is not too lengthy even for postmoderns to read, and is freely available for online reading at several places, one of the which may be accessed here: http://wesley.nnu.edu/john-wesley/a-plain-account-of-christian-perfection/		 [Insert Acts Pun Here]
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Post Re: OTCP Old Time Country Preacher
Charles Page wrote:
To what denomination do you belong?



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