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Also, you've got a problem to deal with in the scriptures. Jesus told the disciples the Spirit would lead them into all truth. One time, we see them (most of them) making a decision, writing down what they percieved the Spirit to be saying. If you think they missed it with their letter about abstaining from blood and meat offered to idols, then why would you think Paul or any of us would be right when we percieve the Spirit is saying something?
You also have Paul acting inconsistently with his own teaching, by your interpretation. He delivered the letter to churches. Apparently, he didn't have a problem with it at the time. He was a part of the group that sent the letter.
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| Link wrote: | Keeping the law is not leaven. The issue with the Galatians was people seeking to be justified by the law. Judaizers were trying to convince Gentiles that they had to be circumcised to relate to God through the Law. Feeling it is wrong to eat some kind of meat is not the same kind of 'legalism.' It does not attack the core issues of the faith.
The food that God has given man is first 'herbs' and then later meat, but not the blood. We see this in Genesis. |
Legalism is the belief that your standing before God or your confidence toward God is based on your ethnicity or your ability to keep religious rules. You'll need to clarify what you mean by "feeling it is wrong". If you believe "feeling it is wrong" makes it a sin to eat (which Paul did in Romans 14), then the question is: Does sin affect the believer's standing with God?
Righteousness is a core issue of faith.
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| Link wrote: | Also, you've got a problem to deal with in the scriptures. Jesus told the disciples the Spirit would lead them into all truth. One time, we see them (most of them) making a decision, writing down what they percieved the Spirit to be saying. If you think they missed it with their letter about abstaining from blood and meat offered to idols, then why would you think Paul or any of us would be right when we percieve the Spirit is saying something?
You also have Paul acting inconsistently with his own teaching, by your interpretation. He delivered the letter to churches. Apparently, he didn't have a problem with it at the time. He was a part of the group that sent the letter. |
Thanks Link,
These guys were growing, learning, renewing there minds, coming to know the truth, pulling down strongholds and receiving the engrafted word. They weren't perfect. Peter, Barnabas, the men from James and the Jews with them are a good example of that. Agabus misinterpreted what he thought the Spirit was telling him about Paul in Acts 11. There are numerous mistakes by these guys recorded in the scripture, numerous misunderstandings. They don't have to be perfect for the Spirit to be leading us into all Truth.
Do you think Spirit's presence in them or us makes us infallible?
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| bradfreeman wrote: | | Link wrote: | Also, you've got a problem to deal with in the scriptures. Jesus told the disciples the Spirit would lead them into all truth. One time, we see them (most of them) making a decision, writing down what they percieved the Spirit to be saying. If you think they missed it with their letter about abstaining from blood and meat offered to idols, then why would you think Paul or any of us would be right when we percieve the Spirit is saying something?
You also have Paul acting inconsistently with his own teaching, by your interpretation. He delivered the letter to churches. Apparently, he didn't have a problem with it at the time. He was a part of the group that sent the letter. |
Thanks Link,
These guys were growing, learning, renewing there minds, coming to know the truth, pulling down strongholds and receiving the engrafted word. They weren't perfect. Peter, Barnabas, the men from James and the Jews with them are a good example of that. Agabus misinterpreted what he thought the Spirit was telling him about Paul in Acts 11. There are numerous mistakes by these guys recorded in the scripture, numerous misunderstandings. They don't have to be perfect for the Spirit to be leading us into all Truth.
Do you think Spirit's presence in them or us makes us infallible? |
Oh but we are so lucky that we have Brad to show us where the Apostles Peter, Paul and James and all "missed it" and where we shouldn't use the New Testament as our guide for living because of the obvious flaws in the doctrine and polity it promotes. I'm with you on this Link- the Apostles writings and decisions that would come after Pentecost were according to the prophecy of Jesus going to be consistent with what God would bind in Heaven and loose on the earth. If we don't have that - then when Brad dies we will have no idea how to live  |
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| What did Agabus miss? |
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"One of them named Agabus stood up and began to indicate by the Spirit that there would certainly be a great famine all over the world. And this took place in the reign of of Claudius." - Acts 11:28
According to Brad's statement, "Agabus misinterpreted what he thought the Spirit was telling him about Paul in Acts 11."
One, the prophecy wasn't about Paul. Two, historical evidence reveals Agabus was correct.
So, I'm going to assume (I know, it's a dangerous thing to assume) Brad meant to reference Acts 21:10, "And coming to us, he [Agabus] took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, 'This is what the Holy Spirit says: "In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles."'"
Did Agabus' prophecy come true?
According to Acts 21:27f, when the Jews saw Paul in the Temple and supposedly thought to have brought a Gentile into the Temple Court, a riot broke out among the Jews who sought to kill the Apostle. The Romans intervened and took Paul into custody as they cried, "Away with him."
The commander of the Roman cohort allowed Paul to speak to the Jews and he gave his testimony. With the crowd's negative response, Paul was taken into custody and the subsequent chain of events eventually led him to Rome where he lived out his life until executed.
Acts 28:17f includes Paul's encounter with leading Jewish leaders in Rome and he declared to them, "Brethren, though I had done nothing against our people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was delivered as a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans."
To say Agabas missed it does not measure with the events recorded in the historical narrative of Acts.
To say the Prophet missed it is also an example reading prejudice into Scriptures because of a personal agenda.
Jude wanted to write about what he described as a "common salvation" but felt constrained to write to encourage his readers to "contend for the faith" that had "once and for all handed down to the saints." The Apostolic Faith, their teachings, was decisive, definitive, and authoritative. If anyone taught outside of the parameters set by the Apostles set by the Apostolic Faith, it wasn't simply questionable, it was rejected.
Paul held similar sentiments.
| Quote: | | Romans 16:17-18, "Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting." |
| Quote: | | Titus 3:9-11, "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned." |
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| Re: What did Agabus miss? |
bradfreeman |
| maqqebet wrote: | So, I'm going to assume (I know, it's a dangerous thing to assume) Brad meant to reference Acts 21:10, "And coming to us, he [Agabus] took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, 'This is what the Holy Spirit says: "In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles."'"
Did Agabus' prophecy come true?
According to Acts 21:27f, when the Jews saw Paul in the Temple and supposedly thought to have brought a Gentile into the Temple Court, a riot broke out among the Jews who sought to kill the Apostle. The Romans intervened and took Paul into custody as they cried, "Away with him."
The commander of the Roman cohort allowed Paul to speak to the Jews and he gave his testimony. With the crowd's negative response, Paul was taken into custody and the subsequent chain of events eventually led him to Rome where he lived out his life until executed.
Acts 28:17f includes Paul's encounter with leading Jewish leaders in Rome and he declared to them, "Brethren, though I had done nothing against our people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was delivered as a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans."
To say Agabas missed it does not measure with the events recorded in the historical narrative of Acts.
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Apologies for the confusion. It was the Acts 21 event I was referring to:
What did Agabus prophecy?
Acts 21:11 And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, “This is what the Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’”
Jews will bind Paul.
Jews will deliver him to Gentiles.
What actually happened?
Acts 21:31 While they were seeking to kill him, a report came up to the commander of the Roman cohort that all Jerusalem was in confusion. 32 At once he took along some soldiers and centurions and ran down to them; and when they saw the commander and the soldiers, they stopped beating Paul. 33 Then the commander came up and took hold of him, and ordered him to be bound with two chains; and he began asking who he was and what he had done.
Gentiles bound Paul, not Jews as Agabus prophesied.
Gentiles took Paul from Jews, they did not hand him over.
He missed - who would bind Paul.
He missed - how Paul wound up in Gentile hands
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