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 Trump definitely not part of establishment |
Nature Boy Florida |
All the wimps who never took on Obama on anything say they won't support him.
McCain, Romney, Ryan, Low Energy... These guys don't get that Trump won precisely because of THEM.
If he loses - we aren't coming back to them. We will go somewhere else.
Perhaps a kinder gentler version of Trump's ideas on borders, trade, foreign wars will rise out of the ashes in 4 years.
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| The problem is....as many people believe...Trump is not a true conservative based on his past. I am hearing that he is already backing off of some of his campaign promises. To be truthful, I am so sick of politics, I only hear bits and pieces from news sources on social media. I have turned off Fox News and started watching the Today Show in the mornings because they talk very little politics. Bottom line is, we are in deep 💩 |
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5/7/16 6:41 am
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| Quote: | | If he loses - we aren't coming back to them. We will go somewhere else. |
Get ready for the thrashing that we are getting for leaving now. |
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5/7/16 8:19 am
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | These guys don't get that Trump won precisely because of THEM. |
I don't know about that, NBF. In this column, Charles Krauthammer asks if GOP voters were upset with RINO's, why did they pick the least conservative candidate of the field.
In other words, the obvious choice for people who wanted a true conservative would have been Ted Cruz, so it seems the GOP didn't really want a true conservative after all.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/charles-krauthammer-donald-trump-earthquake-article-1.2626734 |
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UncleJD |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Quote: | | These guys don't get that Trump won precisely because of THEM. |
I don't know about that, NBF. In this column, Charles Krauthammer asks if GOP voters were upset with RINO's, why did they pick the least conservative candidate of the field.
In other words, the obvious choice for people who wanted a true conservative would have been Ted Cruz, so it seems the GOP didn't really want a true conservative after all.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/charles-krauthammer-donald-trump-earthquake-article-1.2626734 |
I would agree 100% IF the voters who gave Trump the win were in fact GOP voters, but according to TRUMP himself, "we've brought MILLIONS of new voters in", this makes me laugh at the usual conspiracy theorists that would in ALL other cases be suspicious of this if it weren't their candidate of choice, but they easily ignore it when it is. Fact is, they were not Republicans, they are democrats or otherwise non-political voters brought in by extreme populist rhetoric blaming Mexicans and China for their economic and social issues. IF the GOP survives this, there will be some party primary rules changes very soon. The open primary will be out, and look for super-delegates like the Democrats have today.
The more comments I read on Trump posts, the more I'm convinced that we have a problem similar to the 1930s in Europe. One I read today is a theme I've seen repeated over and over | Quote: | | All Republicans that do not support Donald Trump need to be investigated once he is in power |
Of course followed by hundreds of "H-- Ya!" posts |
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5/7/16 11:48 am
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Nature Boy Florida |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Quote: | | These guys don't get that Trump won precisely because of THEM. |
I don't know about that, NBF. In this column, Charles Krauthammer asks if GOP voters were upset with RINO's, why did they pick the least conservative candidate of the field.
In other words, the obvious choice for people who wanted a true conservative would have been Ted Cruz, so it seems the GOP didn't really want a true conservative after all.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/charles-krauthammer-donald-trump-earthquake-article-1.2626734 |
I don't think this is accurate...even though I voted for Cruz myself.
Trump is at least number 2 to Cruz in conservatism. Cruz just had the wrong demeanor to be President. And rubs people the wrong way - so none of his agenda would succeed anyway.
How is Trump the least conservative?
Perhaps the word conservative is no longer conservative.
Trump wants to return America to where it was economically - and is the only one that talked about it consistently in the campaign.
He wants to balance the budget - and any member of Congress that voted for the last budget bill is absolutely NOT conservative on this...so at least he is not on record with anextra trillion dollar deficit.
He wants to end political correctness.
he wants to stop open borders.
He wants to stop nation building around the world.
We won't be the World's policeman for free.
He says he is pro-life - and before you criticize that - review the last 40 years of success in the pro life movement....<crickets chirping>....Trump may indeed be the only one to FINALLY succeed in putting in a modest amount of curbs to unlimited abortion. If he can stop third trimester abortions legislatively - he would be more successful than all the conservative guys we have elected in 40 years combined.
Trump talks tough - and will compromise from his positions - and at least get something done on all of his agenda...instead of getting 100% of Obama's agenda passed.
So I say he is the MOST conservative in actuality.
Tired of the conservative fantasy of Bushism, and Ryanism and Boehnerism. Those conservatives failed miserably.
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| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Trump wants to return America to where it was economically - and is the only one that talked about it consistently in the campaign.
He wants to balance the budget - and any member of Congress that voted for the last budget bill is absolutely NOT conservative on this...so at least he is not on record with anextra trillion dollar deficit.
He wants to end political correctness.
he wants to stop open borders.
He wants to stop nation building around the world.
We won't be the World's policeman for free.
He says he is pro-life - and before you criticize that - review the last 40 years of success in the pro life movement....<crickets chirping>....Trump may indeed be the only one to FINALLY succeed in putting in a modest amount of curbs to unlimited abortion. If he can stop third trimester abortions legislatively - he would be more successful than all the conservative guys we have elected in 40 years combined.
Trump talks tough - and will compromise from his positions - and at least get something done on all of his agenda...instead of getting 100% of Obama's agenda passed.
So I say he is the MOST conservative in actuality.
Tired of the conservative fantasy of Bushism, and Ryanism and Boehnerism. Those conservatives failed miserably.. |
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Trump wants to return America to where it was economically - and is the only one that talked about it consistently in the campaign.
Every single politician EVER has said the same. Find one that doesn't want to "improve the economy". It was Bill Clinton's mantra.
He wants to balance the budget - and any member of Congress that voted for the last budget bill is absolutely NOT conservative on this...so at least he is not on record with anextra trillion dollar deficit.
By saving social medicine and making sure nobody "dies on the street", not conservative
He wants to end political correctness.
I'll give you that, but that's border-line populism (not that its wrong, but its not necessarily a hallmark of conservatism or liberalism.
he wants to stop open borders.
Populism
He wants to stop nation building around the world.
Libertarianism (I actually agree with him here)
We won't be the World's policeman for free.
Populism and contradictory to the "no nation building" claim. Either you will do it or not, paying for it assumes you WILL do it.
He says he is pro-life - and before you criticize that - review the last 40 years of success in the pro life movement....<crickets chirping>....Trump may indeed be the only one to FINALLY succeed in putting in a modest amount of curbs to unlimited abortion. If he can stop third trimester abortions legislatively - he would be more successful than all the conservative guys we have elected in 40 years combined.
This is the same "he MAY do this or that, we'll have to see" A lot of risk, but if he becomes president, he'd better. But to the point of whether he's conservative. He is at best, newly conservative on this position, he had never thought through the process and answered exactly opposite of how conservatives see the issue in that he would hold the mothers' responsible for abortion when it is often coerced by men or family, it is the, so-called, "Doctors" who are always at fault and anyone "conservative" for more than just a few months would have thought it through.
Trump talks tough - and will compromise from his positions - and at least get something done on all of his agenda...instead of getting 100% of Obama's agenda passed.
Obama never got his gun legislation through, and that was his number 2 goal behind social-medicine. But this point has left the "conservative or not" discussion
So I say he is the MOST conservative in actuality.
No, nothing he has said and done says he is conservative, His words are "I'm a 'practical' conservative" whatever that means. And what it means is that other conservatives are not "practical". He also cast doubt on Ronald Reagan as not being very conservative. Ronald Reagan, the torch bearer of conservatism.
Tired of the conservative fantasy of Bushism, and Ryanism and Boehnerism. Those conservatives failed miserably.
I agree, but conservatives know that these guys are "NEO" Cons. Not true, movement conservatives of the Goldwater/Reagan ilk. |
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Cojak |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | All the wimps who never took on Obama on anything say they won't support him.
McCain, Romney, Ryan, Low Energy... These guys don't get that Trump won precisely because of THEM.
If he loses - we aren't coming back to them. We will go somewhere else.
Perhaps a kinder gentler version of Trump's ideas on borders, trade, foreign wars will rise out of the ashes in 4 years. |
I agree NBF, I have said from the beginning on conservatives, So far, in the past 20 or so years Politicians ran and pandered to the Christian Conservative to get their vote. Some of us believed them. Then they get in office and increase government, increase spending and ignore promises until time for reelection, then they are ready to AGAIN BE OUR CONSERVATIVES!
YEP, they are the reason for TRUMP! 
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bonnie knox |
| Actually, that would have been an argument for Cruz. |
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5/9/16 7:02 am
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Nature Boy Florida |
Ryan says he is the leader of the conservatives - and wants total open borders.
Sorry - that won't work.
There is something sinister going on when a "conservative" wants to end the notion of countries and have one big world entity with no borders.
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5/9/16 7:02 am
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bonnie knox |
Open borders for foreign workers? Sounds like what Trump did with his business in Florida.
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Ryan says he is the leader of the conservatives - and wants total open borders.
Sorry - that won't work.
There is something sinister going on when a "conservative" wants to end the notion of countries and have one big world entity with no borders. |
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