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Da Sheik |
[quote="Old Time Country Preacher"] | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: |
Hey, I'll shout with ya on at "COG is Right," Shiek. But at Enemy's Camp song has always concerned the ole timer. How does the devil just walk up an steal whats in ma heart? He must be a conniving ole slewfoot. |
But when everyone is excited and "stomping" up and down does it really matter? 
Our MoM does a great job of coordinating with me. I really have no complaints other than this little pet peeve. He is a hard working man and our choir practices hard. Poor guy has to hear me preach twice every Sunday too! Well he doesn't have to, but he does out of respect. |
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3/15/16 12:53 pm
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Cojak |
| Da Sheik wrote: | My MoM is a cool guy. Not for a minute do I think he has any malicious intent to spread heretical ideas. I do think it's an improper use of Jesus's words but I can be OCD in some respects.
As to his teachability : In my experience everyone is teachable until you actually attempt to correct them  |
Ain't it the truth!
JLarry had a good approach in the right setting. But in today's world those times become few and far between. WE ARE ALL IN A HURRY! 
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Cojak |
| Da Sheik wrote: | | He is a hard working man and our choir practices hard. Poor guy has to hear me preach twice every Sunday too! Well he doesn't have to, but he does out of respect. |
Sweet! 
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3/15/16 11:05 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| Da Sheik wrote: | | But when everyone is excited and "stomping" up and down does it really matter? |
Guess it depends on whether its a worship service or a Dolly Parton concert. What you described above sounds more like the latter.  |
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3/15/16 11:45 pm
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3/16/16 12:11 pm
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Sorry guys.
The Bible is full of verses that have more than one meaning on various levels.
In this instance, Jesus himself compared his crucifixion to the serpent held up in the wilderness, where those that could see it were healed.
Those that see Jesus are healed of their sins.
If you couldn't see the serpent - you weren't healed.
If folks don't "see" Jesus - they are not cleansed.
Lifting Jesus higher doesn't "crucify him again" - just as Moses didn't fashion a new snake every time someone new needed to see it.
One snake.
One time to die on the cross.
Lifting Jesus higher has been the anthem call for missions for as long as I can remember. Lift up Jesus - so others can "see" him and be healed. It has NOTHING to do with recrucifying Him - just so more may know Him.
This came to me as I was listening today to the 2014 General Assembly CD "One" I received 2 years ago.
Track 2.
"Lift Him Higher"
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3/16/16 12:15 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| NB, son, I read it the first time, why did ya post it twice? Did you want the ole timer to read it twiced? |
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3/16/16 12:24 pm
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| That's because NBF is doubly correct on this. |
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3/16/16 12:28 pm
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Nature Boy Florida |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | NB, son, I read it the first time, why did ya post it twice? Did you want the ole timer to read it twiced? |
Yeah.
Now that you read it - I will reduce it to one posting.
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| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | NB, son, I read it the first time, why did ya post it twice? Did you want the ole timer to read it twiced? |
Yeah.
Now that you read it - I will reduce it to one posting. |
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3/16/16 1:34 pm
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I agree there are verses in the bible with multiple applications. I don't think this particular verse is one of them. In each instance Christ made to being "lifted up " it was pointing to His sacrificial death. As I stated earlier, I do not believe that those who misapply the reference do so out of an attempt to "re-crucify ". It's simply a misapplication of a great biblical truth. There are a myriad of bible verses one could call upon to exhort believers to lift their voices in praise.
Just curious NBF, do you believe it's ok to arbitrarily use the bible to make a particular point you'd like to make? If every bible verse is open to private interpretation that's a mighty slippery slope isn't it ? I like you and I loved seeing you wrestle in the NWA so our friendship is firm. Just pushing your buttons.  |
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3/16/16 10:00 pm
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Nature Boy Florida |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | I don't think the scope is necessarily as narrow as is being suggested. The potential of a double entendre is pretty clearly presented in the language John uses in John 3:14 "As Moses lifted up the serpent..." The idea of elevating the bronze serpent was not only for the purpose of power to heal, declared by God, but also so people good easily see the serpent. To that extent the poetic allusion lifting high the cross of Christ (in every conceivable way - preaching, witness, song, worship) to be most easily and readily "seen" - does indeed increase the opportunity for people to be made whole.
Lift/lifted/exalt - hupsos/hupso/hupsosen conveys the idea of exaltation and elevation (Kittel has some good stuff on that).
Also, here is an excerpt from Leon Morris' commentary on John:
| Leon Morris Commentary wrote: | | This must refer to his being "lifted up" on the cross, as the context here and John's use of the verb elsewhere plainly show. But this does not exhaust the meaning of the expression. It is surely another example of John's use of words of set purpose to convey more than one meaning. The verb can refer to exaltation in majesty. It is used of Christ's exaltation (Acts 2:33) and again in a compound (Phil. 2:9). (Morris, L. (1995). The Gospel according to John (pp. 199-200). |
I would probably agree a worship leader should seek to reference diverse scriptural admonitions for worship in song (and there are a lot!) to help grow the people. Using "that one" exclusively is perhaps an indicator he (?) is not apprising himself of the broad range of Biblical exhortation on the matter.
Resolve: Senior/Lead pastor does a sermon series on worship and provide him with a dozen new additional scriptural soundbites he can use.  |
Agreed Tom.
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