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c6thplayer1 |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Was the interpretation about "snuff" and the Holy Spirit calling AJT "Brother AJT" and "obey him [i.e., obey AJT] in everything" from God? |
I would think not.
I really try to keep my own opinions about messages in tongues to myself. That way if im wrong I have hurt no one. But when one is really obvious to me I will speak out. |
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3/13/16 1:54 pm
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If you're looking for a "yes/no" answer related to a "manifestation" of the Spirit from over 100 years ago, I'll not sure we are able to judge. The moment has longed passed and we can only "judge" by our current condition. Perhaps the question could be, if in the next GA held in Nashville, someone preached or gave a "word" that tobacco was still wrong for Christians, and that the leadership (by name) of the church should be obeyed, would you feel it was not of the Spirit?
The converse position than becomes, Christians can use tobacco without impunity of their witness or sin against their body or God; and the current leadership is not to be obeyed. Is that your position?
Again, I was not there, I do not know when and where, I do not know who the person is who gave the message and I can not judge the Spirit in which it was given. It seems if we were that "spiritual" we would be much more effective in giving a "word" to the living, but evidence seems to point else where.
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3/13/16 1:56 pm
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If all we do is supposed to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving glory and honor to Him, and if our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, I have to say there is simply no sensible or scriptural justification to be found for poisoning your body with something like tobacco.
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c6thplayer1 |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | If all we do is supposed to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving glory and honor to Him, and if our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, I have to say there is simply no sensible of scriptural justification to be found for poisoning your body with something like tobacco. |
I'm not advocating tobacco use but the same argument could be used for tea , bacon , processed meats etc. |
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3/13/16 4:08 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
I have never heard of tea being harmful to your body at all. Perhaps one might possibly overdose on caffeine if one drank massive amounts of tea, but there is simply no reasonable comparison at all between the medically proven harmful effects of ANY amount of nicotine vs. the generally mild effects of caffeine on a body.
As far as processed meats, yes, it is quite well known that we should not eat such things very often, and that to do so is not healthy. Even still, there is simply no reasonable comparison between smoking, which is ALWAYS harmful to your health and never does anything good for you, and eating bacon, which is only harmful if overindulged in, and at least does contain some positive benefit in the form of protein. |
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3/13/16 4:47 pm
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| Smoking tobacco once a year in a peace pipe with fellow Acts posters is very therapeutic. It can even lower one's blood pressure. |
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c6thplayer1 |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | I have never heard of tea being harmful to your body at all. Perhaps one might possibly overdose on caffeine if one drank massive amounts of tea, but there is simply no reasonable comparison at all between the medically proven harmful effects of ANY amount of nicotine vs. the generally mild effects of caffeine on a body.
As far as processed meats, yes, it is quite well known that we should not eat such things very often, and that to do so is not healthy. Even still, there is simply no reasonable comparison between smoking, which is ALWAYS harmful to your health and never does anything good for you, and eating bacon, which is only harmful if overindulged in, and at least does contain some positive benefit in the form of protein. |
Are we saying its the measurement of harm these products present? If so then you may have to re-write one of your post.
| Quote: | | and if our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, I have to say there is simply no sensible of scriptural justification to be found for poisoning your body with something like tobacco. |
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| Mat wrote: | If you're looking for a "yes/no" answer related to a "manifestation" of the Spirit from over 100 years ago, I'll not sure we are able to judge. The moment has longed passed and we can only "judge" by our current condition. Perhaps the question could be, if in the next GA held in Nashville, someone preached or gave a "word" that tobacco was still wrong for Christians, and that the leadership (by name) of the church should be obeyed, would you feel it was not of the Spirit?
The converse position than becomes, Christians can use tobacco without impunity of their witness or sin against their body or God; and the current leadership is not to be obeyed. Is that your position?
Again, I was not there, I do not know when and where, I do not know who the person is who gave the message and I can not judge the Spirit in which it was given. It seems if we were that "spiritual" we would be much more effective in giving a "word" to the living, but evidence seems to point else where.
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Mat, the ole timer don't use bakker in any form, smoking, dippin, chewin, smakkin, hey, I don't even look at it. So I'm not condonin bakker use. Let me ask it differently.
Do you believe the Holy Spirit gave a message and singled out snuff, but not other forms of tobacco?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit told the people there that day to obey AJT in all things?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit said "Brother AJT?" |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | Smoking tobacco once a year in a peace pipe with fellow Acts posters is very therapeutic. It can even lower one's blood pressure. |
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| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | I have never heard of tea being harmful to your body at all. Perhaps one might possibly overdose on caffeine if one drank massive amounts of tea, but there is simply no reasonable comparison at all between the medically proven harmful effects of ANY amount of nicotine vs. the generally mild effects of caffeine on a body.
As far as processed meats, yes, it is quite well known that we should not eat such things very often, and that to do so is not healthy. Even still, there is simply no reasonable comparison between smoking, which is ALWAYS harmful to your health and never does anything good for you, and eating bacon, which is only harmful if overindulged in, and at least does contain some positive benefit in the form of protein. |
Are we saying its the measurement of harm these products present? If so then you may have to re-write one of your post.
| Quote: | | and if our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, I have to say there is simply no sensible of scriptural justification to be found for poisoning your body with something like tobacco. |
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I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is, c6th. You seem to want to equate eating bacon with smoking. I must say that is ludicrous. |
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3/13/16 10:14 pm
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| Link wrote: | I saw this on a Facebook forum. The poster said it was a Church of God Evangel report of an interpretation of tongue at a GA. I don't know the year.
"I have appointed Brother A. J. Tomlinson General Overseer of my people. Obey him in everything according to the Word. Heb. 18:7. Hold my church up and I will hold you up. But I warn you if you do not walk in the light of my church you will walk in the darkness of Babylon. There is one fold and one shepherd. Other sheep I have which are not of this fold. them also I must bring. My sheep will hear my voice and a stranger they will not follow. Be bold. be strong. be separate. Ye cannot fellowship tobacco and snuff, fornication and adultery and live in my fold. Be ye clean and I will be with you. I will never leave nor forsake you. Take heed unto My words. delight thyself also in Me and I will give thee the desires of thing heart.""
I'm not sure what it means to fellowship tobacco and snuff. But does doing so prevent one from living in the Lord's fold?
I also tend to view the verse about other sheep not in the fold to refer to the Gentiles.
I got this from a photo, and it looks pretty clear to me that the text said Heb. 18 rather than 13. Maybe it's a typo. |
Now we see through a glass darkly. Humans make mistakes and often mistake their own thoughts for the voice of the Spirit.
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Now we see through a glass darkly. Humans make mistakes and often mistake their own thoughts for the voice of the Spirit. |
Yet prophesying falsely in the name of the Lord is a heinous sin, so bad that God prescribed the death penalty for it in the Old Testament.
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c6thplayer1 |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | c6thplayer1 wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | I have never heard of tea being harmful to your body at all. Perhaps one might possibly overdose on caffeine if one drank massive amounts of tea, but there is simply no reasonable comparison at all between the medically proven harmful effects of ANY amount of nicotine vs. the generally mild effects of caffeine on a body.
As far as processed meats, yes, it is quite well known that we should not eat such things very often, and that to do so is not healthy. Even still, there is simply no reasonable comparison between smoking, which is ALWAYS harmful to your health and never does anything good for you, and eating bacon, which is only harmful if overindulged in, and at least does contain some positive benefit in the form of protein. |
Are we saying its the measurement of harm these products present? If so then you may have to re-write one of your post.
| Quote: | | and if our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, I have to say there is simply no sensible of scriptural justification to be found for poisoning your body with something like tobacco. |
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I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is, c6th. You seem to want to equate eating bacon with smoking. I must say that is ludicrous. |
No not at all. I have a few friends that smoke cigs. They are good people with a bad habit. I nor our church condemns them for their habit. We just try to help them stop when an opportunity arises.
If we use the scenario that the bible tells us not to defile our body with things that are bad for our health then we must also use everything that we consume that has dangers also. Since there is no scripture specific to the use of tobacco we dont use scripture to get our point across. We just try to help people with this.
My point is , I have seen christians equate scripture to their liking and condemn people that use tobacco and then go eat a slab of bacon and talk about how pitiful John Doe is for harming his body. Kind of like the spec in the users eye compared to the log in the condemners eye. |
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3/14/16 10:45 am
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| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | I have seen christians equate scripture to their liking and condemn people that use tobacco and then go eat a slab of bacon and talk about how pitiful John Doe is for harming his body. Kind of like the spec in the users eye compared to the log in the condemners eye. |
Yep, I've seen em rail agin folk fer smoking, dipping, chewing, sayin if ya defile the temple, God's gonna git ya. Then, when church is over, they went to the Shoney's buffet, already weighing 300 lbs, an gorge till they could hardly move, get up an leave after fussin at the waitress, leave a 50 cent tip, an walk out pattin their belly sayin "God is good."  |
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