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Resident Skeptic |
| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | walk this way....... |
Aerosmith is Ok but they are not my favorite.
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| Tom Sterbens wrote: | Just walk away Nick...
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More like serpent eggs. At a glance I can see where one might confuse them with pearls.
Here we have people condoning reaching gays as a "community" in the same way they reach an ethnic group as a community and cannot see the danger.
Amazing and alarming. As sin takes control of our land, the church is more luke warm and un-discerning than ever. When we should be sounding the trumpet, we are looking for a way to assimilate.
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9/10/15 9:11 am
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Old Time Country Preacher |
Let me ask agin, is anybody reachin out to the beastiality community?
Or the pedophile (younguns under 2 preference) community? |
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9/10/15 10:29 am
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| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Let me ask agin, is anybody reachin out to the beastiality community?
Or the pedophile (younguns under 2 preference) community? |
Exactly. Just let em sing in the choir and maybe that will draw them to repentance. But of course repentance just means "changing your mind about Jesus". They ain't gotta stop sinnin because they is justified by faith. Grace much more abounds!!
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9/10/15 10:41 am
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| I don't see it as necessarily validating homosexuality at all, but instead seeking to better understand the target audience you intend to reach with the gospel. It would be no different than seeking to know how drug addicts think in order to more effectively reach them. |
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9/10/15 10:45 am
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| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | I don't see it as necessarily validating homosexuality at all, but instead seeking to better understand the target audience you intend to reach with the gospel. It would be no different than seeking to know how drug addicts think in order to more effectively reach them. |
I agree. But that is all different from validating them as one would an ethnic group.
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9/10/15 10:51 am
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| I guess I don't see where anybody is validating homosexuality or 'the LGBT community' here. We're just talking about how best to get to know them better in order to reach them for Christ. |
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9/10/15 10:56 am
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Old Time Country Preacher |
Serious Questions:
If you knowed that a person what worked at the local Pet Smart was part of the beastiality community, would ya let this person groom ya dog?
Or, if you knowed that the person who worked in ya local day care was a pedophile with a preference fer young'uns under 2, would ya leave ya 18 month old in at day care? |
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9/10/15 11:29 am
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Quiet Wyatt |
| I would not only protect the innocent from such sick perverts, I would notify the authorities if I had certain knowledge of such wickedness being perpetrated. Then, hopefully they might be reached by a prison ministry of some kind. |
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dolfan |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | I don't see it as necessarily validating homosexuality at all, but instead seeking to better understand the target audience you intend to reach with the gospel. It would be no different than seeking to know how drug addicts think in order to more effectively reach them. |
I agree. But that is all different from validating them as one would an ethnic group. |
"Community" is a powerful word, now. In the Obergefell decision, Justice Kennedy pointed out that the DOMA was earlier held to be unconstitutional to the extent the Federal government was disallowed from recognizing same sex marriages because same sex couples "wanted to affirm their commitment to ine another before their children, their family, their friends, and their community." He reasoned, too, that same sex marriage confers benefits in children by allowing them to "understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community...". Do you see? A gay family is a part of a not just a legal community, but a moral community according to the Supreme Court. Community is not a neutral word. It has legal, Constitutional and....yes...moral weight. Ask Kennedy, who further said that marriage, and explicitly gay marriage, is "a building block of our national community."
It may have particular biblical weight far beyond mere affinity or commonality of interest or conduct. If community is equivalent to the Matthew 28 "ethne", then we are in wholly new territory. The view here seems to be that the terms are practically synonymous or that it does not matter. It is just a word.. Maybe to you, but it is a short sighted decision to think so.
If ethne and community are synonymous, we have a very difficult time finding an historical example, and an even more difficult historical pattern of, missions to groups where those groups are formed around conduct. As recently as the Lausanne conference in 1974, missionary thought has remained centered on ethnolinguistic categories with no apparent mind to behavioral categories as the basis of mission. There is no departure from that in the 2010 Cape Town Commitment by the Lausanne movement. Finally, church planting has always been an indispensable element of missionary work; if someone has a working model of church planting among the LGBT folks, it is a tragically well kept secret.
Now, jive and joke as you please. But, it remains true that "community" is a moral force with moral power assigned to it, and which assignment of power attracts groups to the label. The label comes with real benefits, including now the power to say what is right and wrong not only for those inside the "community" but for those outside of it and opposed to it. Ask Kim Davis. It is not just a word, no matter what you subjectively think when you use it. You are not in a vacuum, here.
If community is also ethne, the question arises whether behavior is the formative basis of an ethne. If so, we may be much farther away from getting the gospel to all nations than our brothers and sisters in the mission field and the translation work believe. If behavior forms ethne, then there are all sorts of mission efforts that require immediate training, sourcing and launching. And, where that ethne-forming conduct is explicitly and inherently and immutably sinful, we are forced to either justify redefining mission to eliminate church planting or to justify church planting where the converts' conduct has not changed.
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diakoneo |
| dolfan wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | I don't see it as necessarily validating homosexuality at all, but instead seeking to better understand the target audience you intend to reach with the gospel. It would be no different than seeking to know how drug addicts think in order to more effectively reach them. |
I agree. But that is all different from validating them as one would an ethnic group. |
"Community" is a powerful word, now. In the Obergefell decision, Justice Kennedy pointed out that the DOMA was earlier held to be unconstitutional to the extent the Federal government was disallowed from recognizing same sex marriages because same sex couples "wanted to affirm their commitment to ine another before their children, their family, their friends, and their community." He reasoned, too, that same sex marriage confers benefits in children by allowing them to "understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community...". Do you see? A gay family is a part of a not just a legal community, but a moral community according to the Supreme Court. Community is not a neutral word. It has legal, Constitutional and....yes...moral weight. Ask Kennedy, who further said that marriage, and explicitly gay marriage, is "a building block of our national community."
It may have particular biblical weight far beyond mere affinity or commonality of interest or conduct. If community is equivalent to the Matthew 28 "ethne", then we are in wholly new territory. The view here seems to be that the terms are practically synonymous or that it does not matter. It is just a word.. Maybe to you, but it is a short sighted decision to think so.
If ethne and community are synonymous, we have a very difficult time finding an historical example, and an even more difficult historical pattern of, missions to groups where those groups are formed around conduct. As recently as the Lausanne conference in 1974, missionary thought has remained centered on ethnolinguistic categories with no apparent mind to behavioral categories as the basis of mission. There is no departure from that in the 2010 Cape Town Commitment by the Lausanne movement. Finally, church planting has always been an indispensable element of missionary work; if someone has a working model of church planting among the LGBT folks, it is a tragically well kept secret.
Now, jive and joke as you please. But, it remains true that "community" is a moral force with moral power assigned to it, and which assignment of power attracts groups to the label. The label comes with real benefits, including now the power to say what is right and wrong not only for those inside the "community" but for those outside of it and opposed to it. Ask Kim Davis. It is not just a word, no matter what you subjectively think when you use it. You are not in a vacuum, here.
If community is also ethne, the question arises whether behavior is the formative basis of an ethne. If so, we may be much farther away from getting the gospel to all nations than our brothers and sisters in the mission field and the translation work believe. If behavior forms ethne, then there are all sorts of mission efforts that require immediate training, sourcing and launching. And, where that ethne-forming conduct is explicitly and inherently and immutably sinful, we are forced to either justify redefining mission to eliminate church planting or to justify church planting where the converts' conduct has not changed. |
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9/10/15 3:17 pm
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Nature Boy Florida |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Serious Questions:
If you knowed that a person what worked at the local Pet Smart was part of the beastiality community, would ya let this person groom ya dog?
Or, if you knowed that the person who worked in ya local day care was a pedophile with a preference fer young'uns under 2, would ya leave ya 18 month old in at day care? |
That would make a person an idiot.
Do you think folks on Acts are idiots?
I am going to get Eddie to start another apology thread if you do.
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9/10/15 3:32 pm
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Resident Skeptic |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | As a follower of Jesus Christ, you are of the opinion that our efforts (as believers) should first be spent in arguing those in the gay "community" first acknowledge and release the term they have subsumed (community) before we invest any efforts in sharing the gospel with them? |
No. We simply do not acknowledge the community since it is part of a satanic deception holding them in bondage. We approach them as individuals, like any other sinner.
If we go into a Roma neighborhood with food and blankets flying a big banner that reads "We thank God for the Roma people who have contributed so much to our city", we have honored a legitimate culture and ethnicity. But if we go into San Francisco with our food and blankets while flying a banner that reads, "We thank God for the Gay community and all the wonderful things they contribute to our city", we have paid honor to godless BEHAVIOR and not a legitimate culture or ethnicity. We are helping then feel secure and affirmed in their sin.
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9/10/15 4:37 pm
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Resident Skeptic |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | You are wrong here RS.
The gay community does excel at certain things. What is wrong with pointing out any good characteristic you can find?
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Like flower arranging, interior decorating, hair styling, and being a flight attendant. 
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mytimewillcome |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: |
If we go into a Roma neighborhood with food and blankets flying a big banner that reads "We thank God for the Roma people who have contributed so much to our city", we have honored a legitimate culture and ethnicity. |
That's unbiblical.
Galatians 3:28- "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." |
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9/10/15 5:01 pm
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Nick Park |
| mytimewillcome wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
If we go into a Roma neighborhood with food and blankets flying a big banner that reads "We thank God for the Roma people who have contributed so much to our city", we have honored a legitimate culture and ethnicity. |
That's unbiblical.
Galatians 3:28- "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." |
Now you've done gone and put the cat among the pigeons.
In Christ we become a new creation, the old things are done away with, we are strangers and pilgrims in this world, and we are to be 'in the world, but not of the world'.
If we follow that radical biblical truth then we might reach some uncomfortable truths about some of our so-called 'legitimate' communities that are based around national and racial identities.
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Serious Questions:
If you knowed that a person what worked at the local Pet Smart was part of the beastiality community, would ya let this person groom ya dog?
Or, if you knowed that the person who worked in ya local day care was a pedophile with a preference fer young'uns under 2, would ya leave ya 18 month old in at day care? |
That would make a person an idiot.
Do you think folks on Acts are idiots?
I am going to get Eddie to start another apology thread if you do. |
Ats all I needed to hear, NBF. I shore hope they aint nobody on Acts what would stoop to idiocy. |
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9/10/15 5:40 pm
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Nature Boy Florida |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | You are wrong here RS.
The gay community does excel at certain things. What is wrong with pointing out any good characteristic you can find?
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Like flower arranging, interior decorating, hair styling, and being a flight attendant. |
Perhaps - but you left out computer programming. From my own experience - there are many gays in that community.
Detail oriented tasks that do a lot of work alone - such as programming, painting, etc... - are things the gay community excel at - perhaps because they are judged only on the finished product - and not on how they act.
Truth is - gays are often prejudged by a lot of folks. God help the Christian community if they do the same.
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9/10/15 5:45 pm
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Resident Skeptic |
| Nick Park wrote: | | mytimewillcome wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
If we go into a Roma neighborhood with food and blankets flying a big banner that reads "We thank God for the Roma people who have contributed so much to our city", we have honored a legitimate culture and ethnicity. |
That's unbiblical.
Galatians 3:28- "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." |
Now you've done gone and put the cat among the pigeons.
In Christ we become a new creation, the old things are done away with, we are strangers and pilgrims in this world, and we are to be 'in the world, but not of the world'.
If we follow that radical biblical truth then we might reach some uncomfortable truths about some of our so-called 'legitimate' communities that are based around national and racial identities. |
I only used that as an example since another poster talked about ministering to the Roma people.
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Resident Skeptic |
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Nick Park wrote: | | mytimewillcome wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
If we go into a Roma neighborhood with food and blankets flying a big banner that reads "We thank God for the Roma people who have contributed so much to our city", we have honored a legitimate culture and ethnicity. |
That's unbiblical.
Galatians 3:28- "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." |
Now you've done gone and put the cat among the pigeons.
In Christ we become a new creation, the old things are done away with, we are strangers and pilgrims in this world, and we are to be 'in the world, but not of the world'.
If we follow that radical biblical truth then we might reach some uncomfortable truths about some of our so-called 'legitimate' communities that are based around national and racial identities. |
Yeah.....I was working on 1 Peter 2:9-10 relative to the whole ethne/ethnos - but it seemed to be taking the dialog even further off the center I was trying to establish. Nonetheless, MTWC and Nick make great points AND should one want to strain at the point, Peter their observations even further in suggesting that every human genos/ethnos is melded into the new "chosen/holy" genos/ethnoswhich becomes the superordinate identity.
But alas, now we have fallen into the dialectical rabbit hole to wonderland where Resident Skeptic has a home address! |
I'm afraid Dolfan has proven otherwise. He articulates much better than I.
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