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A Message for General Officials?

Acts-celerater Posts: 813 **2/29/08 10:14 pm**

So God could not get an audience at the General Assembly so he chooses this ladies memorial service?

You guys are NUTS!

Pete Zefo

Friendly Face Posts: 304 **2/29/08 11:19 pm**

I suppose you are one of those who enjoy hearing smooth words of which this prophecy spoke!

Phil Hoover

Re: Yes Sir, I've Read Amos

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15382 **3/1/08 11:31 am**

Travis Johnson

Re: Yes Sir, I've Read Amos

Acts-dicted Posts: 7821 **3/1/08 11:38 am**

This word was appropriate, painful, and hope filled. It is timely and in order.

TimFulmer

Friendly Face Posts: 314 **3/1/08 11:43 am**

This is an incredible message to the church...

Having eyes to see.... is it really seen... do we see it....

Is it a message for "others" ot do we take it personally...

When I saw this message,

1. I immediately raised my eyes to the axe that I have haning on the wall of my office....

2. my attention was turned to these things...

a. The responsibility to nurture spiritual children
b. The way that some leaders "protect" their salaries, buld
their 'dream homes, establish their retirements, and focus
inwardly instead of outward, at the expence of ministry...
c. That Leadership does not start at the top... It starts at the
bottom with the very first element of responsibility in any
institution. This message was not just for the "upper-crust" of
the church, but like all of God's word it is for every individual.
d. God is challenging me to take care to "nurture" those whom He
brings into the Kingdom as first prrority.

Systems and Salaries exist at the local level of ministry as well as others....

Since it is the responsibility of our leaders in our General and State Offices to nurture and train Pastors and Ministery from that leadership level, institutionally, this prophecy appears to be to those who have been assigned the grass-roots responsibility of nurturing souls won into the Kingdom... (This does not expemt any individual from their personal responsibility to win and nurture souls to the Kingdom of God0

The danger of focusing on Systems and Salaries in the local church is paramount in this video...

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One little finger = is it possible that it is a reference to even "one teaching" that would cause us to be selfish..?
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spartanfan · Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **3/1/08 1:21 pm**

R. Keith Whitt

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Acts-celerater Posts: 684 **3/1/08 8:53 pm**

Not trying to be argumentative, but you must know something that is not public knowledge.

You said:
"If the body died (supposedly CoG) died after a long sickness in the baby producing part then someone please tell me how the CoG keeps producing children every day in the USA and around the world."

The continued growth in the world is possibly correct (I haven't seen the stats in a couple of years). Growth in the USA? What proof do you have for this statement?

Keith
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spartanfan · Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **3/1/08 10:43 pm**

Travis Johnson

Re: Keith,

Acts-dicted Posts: 7821 **3/1/08 10:54 pm**

Joe Nail

i said i would not post for a while.... but i have to

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1904 **3/1/08 11:08 pm**

spartanfan you need to listen to the tape one more time. "the baby producing part of the body" is not what was said. the word was "the part of the body that nurtures the children" producing is not the same as nurturing. please listen to your heart, not your head. Confused

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spartanfan · Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **3/1/08 11:43 pm**

spartanfan

OH yeah,

spartanfan · Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **3/1/08 11:44 pm**

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spartanfan

Oh yeah,

spartanfan · Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **3/1/08 11:47 pm**

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spartanfan · Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **3/1/08 11:52 pm**

R. Keith Whitt

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Acts-celerater Posts: 684 **3/2/08 11:24 am**

I have no desire to get into an argument with you, though I can rise to the challenge of a good debate! You obviously have made up your mind considering the prophecy. That is your privilege and I respect your position.

I am just challenging your view that the COG is growing, especially in the US. Can you post your evidence? I'm not talking about isolated cases. Your church may be growing (and for that I thank the Lord and pray it continues!), but I would like to see or know the source of your evidence for your position -- other than your opinion. Your local church is not the test case for the rest of the denomination.

No one that I have read is contending that every COG congregation is dying or will die. MY understanding of the prophecy (and my position) is the system/institutionalism will die, and needs to if the COG is to be rekindled into a movement (which has not been for several years) and not just another institutionalized denomination of limited influence. I believe it would enhance our dialogue if you could re-examine the videos and re-read the posts of those with whom you disagree, because you have misquoted the assertions, which are the very heart of the matter (as joenail pointed out). I discovered long ago that I learn more by dialoguing with those with whom I disagree than I do by just asserting my position. I've found that it also brings strength to my position (sorry, the teacher in me just pops out every now and then).

By the way, I'm pretty confident in my ability "to get it." Laughing

Also, I have a request: could you use paragraphs please? My eyes are worn and weary and your posts are difficult to read when there are no line breaks.

I know that it is difficult to discern the tone of written dialogue and I hope you will take my word that there is no animosity in my posts, just a desire to make the COG better -- a goal I believe we both share! As I have stated before: I've paid too high a personal price and put too much into it to do anything less. I think it is an honorable and worthy goal. I can't just let it go....

Keith
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youngleader

None of this matters..

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1499 **3/2/08 2:05 pm**

I'm not saying this to sound harsh, but in the BIG picture, I mean, REALLY big picture, it doesn't matter if the COG dies, maintains, or becomes revitalized...

Here's why....

First, Let me quote my father in law, who is a 3rd generation COG minister, whose grandfather started several COG's in South Carolina.. He has told me that the COG is a vehicle for him to do ministry. He could still do ministry in an independent church, or in another denomination.

Guys like Marty, Travis, Brian Hunter, and countless others are proof as well. If we really witnessed "The fall of Cleveland", do you really think any of these guys are gonna call it quits? Not a chance. They would find a way to share the gospel and continue on.

So what are we really afraid of here? Are we afraid our institution will fall? An institution is nothing more than the people who make it up. Aside from death or rapture, I don't see too many of you disappearing into thin air anytime soon.
Are you afraid the COG will become bankrupt? It might be the best thing for it. If you understand bankruptcy laws, you know that it would more than likely force the COG to restructure itself in the ways that we are all crying out for.

So again, if this prophecy is fulfilled, praise God for it. I don't see it as a bad thing. Because the Word is timeless, and God will continue to raise up leaders to share it.

The COG is just a vehicle in which to share the gospel. There will always be some sort of vehicle to do it.

I think I'm going to share this on my blog as well..
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Hey, DOC Posts: 65 **3/2/08 2:14 pm**

I have no trouble believing that Jesus would use a funeral to promote what ever was needed at the time. But, I'm having trouble believing that God would put the sin of a church organization on a women, for intercession. And even if he did, I would like to believe after the intercession she would be healed.
I mean, doesn't this go against “that He Himself bore our sickness and disease?”
Why then would He put a disease on someone to prove a point and then allow them to die?
I believe COG needs cleaned up & that He would use a funeral to address that, but I'm really struggling with that woman's cancer and death being God's way of reveling that.

Jamie Noel

Is there a contradiciton of information?

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1138 **3/2/08 2:45 pm**

My father, who is a 43 year minister in the COG, recently had an HQ official tell him that the COG was in decline. In fact, this man supported our departure and claimed he would have done the same, given the circumstances.

Is there a different story coming out of the EC? If so, this may be a perfect example of the divisiveness of HQ (no one ever seems to be on the same page).

As for this prophecy, I feel like I am part of that prophecy. The COG, as a whole, is getting older. The average age of its senior pastors is almost 50. This was given at the open forums prior to the previous GA. Its young leadership, thinking on a much larger scale, was not being nurtured. As a result, they have left their homes to go elsewhere. I am part of that. Maybe I jumped too quickly and didn't give the denom a chance. Hindsight is 20/20. I just felt that, because I am getting older, I don't have time to wait.

My opinion (which usually isn't worth much) is this is why other fellowships are seemingly growing. They have younger pastors who are trusted by older, more seasoned ministers. They are place into leadership without the sense of "competition." I practice this here. Our 23 year old youth director spoke for his first time a few weeks ago and hit it out of the park!

This is my job as a pastor. To bring in, build up, train, and send out!
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Randy Johnson

Re: A Message for General Officials?

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5431 **3/2/08 3:11 pm**

JLA777

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Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2624 **3/2/08 3:33 pm**

I have to agree with what you wrote here perfectjoy. And even if he did, I would like to believe after the intercession she would be healed.
I mean, doesn't this go against “that He Himself bore our sickness and disease?”
Why then would He put a disease on someone to prove a point and then allow them to die?
I believe COG needs cleaned up & that He would use a funeral to address that, but I'm really struggling with that woman's cancer and death being God's way of reveling that.[/quote]

I know of another instance where this woman lost her home and everything in it to a natural disaster. Her and her family eventually recovered and they were able to rebuild. Just recently, they lost everything to the same type of natural disaster, that's twice within a yr. Now she sincerely believes that this was intercession! She says The Lord spoke to her telling her that this disaster was in representation of what God is getting ready to do on the earth. She has a whole family with little one's too. There are also people who support her in this theory! I'm asking, is this God's way?
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